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      11-05-2009, 08:12 AM   #23
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So the big question is will the engine be the exact same output as the X5/X6 ///M or will it be tweaked to assert itself as BMW's flagship?

Im so happy that it has the DCT but whats the final word on weight? Last time i checked DCT's weigh alot, and ones beefed up to handle locomotive like torque usually weigh so much. I think the difference between a PDK equipped 911 Turbo and 6 speed is somewhere around 50lbs!
Whats the weight comparison between the 4.4 TT V8 versus the S85 V10?

If they could keep the curb weight under 4200lbs I would be estatic!
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      11-05-2009, 12:37 PM   #25
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soooo: the next m5 will be lighter, more powerfull and much more faster!
i think it will sprint from 0 to 100km/h in 4,3 sec!
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      11-07-2009, 02:22 PM   #26
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Boy, I hope we old fashioned Americans get a 6-speed manual!
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      11-10-2009, 08:08 PM   #27
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This car is going to be a complete monster. The M5 is going to be on top of the luxury sedan food chain again ...right where it belongs. Definitely going to leave AMG and Porsche quaking in their boots.
I'd like to see how they're going to change up the M6.
Probably give it the same 555hp engine and make it lighter, just what their doing with the M5.
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      11-10-2009, 08:09 PM   #28
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soooo: the next m5 will be lighter, more powerfull and much more faster!
i think it will sprint from 0 to 100km/h in 4,3 sec!
I want 0-60 times in the mid to high threes.
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      11-13-2009, 09:40 AM   #29
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soooo: the next m5 will be lighter, more powerfull and much more faster!
i think it will sprint from 0 to 100km/h in 4,3 sec!
Doesnt the X5/6 at 5000lbs get 0-100km in around 4.3 sec? This car will be at least 1000lbs less than that so it should, theoretically, be in the 3's.
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      11-13-2009, 05:07 PM   #30
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Actually, about 1,250 lbs less by my calculations, and far less brick-shaped. Could break the 4 sec barrier...
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      12-11-2009, 12:23 AM   #31
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the new M3 will not get a V8, it will be a straight 6 again, but this time with twin turbo. All part of the downsizing.
The M5 will have more power then the current M5, so no worries Look what this engine does in a heavy SUV, think about a bit more power in a much ligther saloon
Dude, its not about power......//Ms have never won their acclaims because they had the most power, but because they were balanced and were so much damn fun to drive, evoking real emotion out of the driving experience. A TTV8 will not accomplish this. Watch //M lose MOST of its followers.......no longer will //M be a car of the enthusiast, but the car of the fat, lazy, I don't even know what a transmission is slug.

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      12-11-2009, 04:16 PM   #32
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Dude, its not about power......//Ms have never won their acclaims because they had the most power, but because they were balanced and were so much damn fun to drive, evoking real emotion out of the driving experience. A TTV8 will not accomplish this. Watch //M lose MOST of its followers.......no longer will //M be a car of the enthusiast, but the car of the fat, lazy, I don't even know what a transmission is slug.

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Wrong. ///M might lose you and a lot of people on this forum, but that's a miniscule percentage compared to the total amount of people who will buy the V6TT. So yes, enjoy your Porsche. BMW won't skip a beat.
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      12-12-2009, 02:45 AM   #33
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Wrong. ///M might lose you and a lot of people on this forum, but that's a miniscule percentage compared to the total amount of people who will buy the V6TT. So yes, enjoy your Porsche. BMW won't skip a beat.
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Dude, its not about power......//Ms have never won their acclaims because they had the most power, but because they were balanced and were so much damn fun to drive, evoking real emotion out of the driving experience. A TTV8 will not accomplish this. Watch //M lose MOST of its followers.......no longer will //M be a car of the enthusiast, but the car of the fat, lazy, I don't even know what a transmission is slug.

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According to your details you drive a 335i but you claim the Ms have to rev extremely high because that's the way you like it?

I'm not saying that some here will leave and switch brands because of M-Division decision to switch to FI but then those guys are no more loyal to the brand than myself the claimed anti-BMW guy.

If nothing else you will be able to pick up an E9? M3 cheap with all these disillusioned owner and finally get the chance to own the car of your dreams. Frankly BMW are doing you a favour.
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      12-12-2009, 10:09 PM   #35
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Wrong. ///M might lose you and a lot of people on this forum, but that's a miniscule percentage compared to the total amount of people who will buy the V6TT. So yes, enjoy your Porsche. BMW won't skip a beat.
A straight Six turbo in the F30 i can take, But if they go with a V6TT I will have lost my faith....

And yes Porsche is the ray of light for those of us who like our powertrain layouts to remain pretty much the same for 40+ years....AND STILL KICK ASS!

My ///M Coupe is going into my personal museum as the last true back to the basics ///M car.

911 GT3 here I come for the next track slut....

But a new ///M5 with 600bhp, ahh hell im going to contradict myself but it sounds damn fun!
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      12-15-2009, 05:24 AM   #36
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The torque is going to be amazing!
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      12-15-2009, 07:20 AM   #37
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Oh, yes, 600+ = BEAST.
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      12-15-2009, 11:43 AM   #38
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I cannot wait to see this car uncovered, I think BMW has a real winner on there hands, I wonder if anyone has claimed the number plate "F10 M5" ............
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I love reading all this speculation... especially the part about the DCT being beefed up to handle the torque- did anyone even look at what the DCT can handle in its "beefed" up state? Even the PDK can't handle that torque...

This car will be a monster but some of this stuff...
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New World Order The New BMW M5

F10 M5 Specs Summary

Lightweight Construction
- Floorplan pressed in aluminum
- Aluminum door and bonnet
- Carbon fiber reinforced roof

Active Aerodynamics
- Special aerodynamic aids incorporated in the front of the car including the outer edge of the wheel arches, front bumper, within the grille intake.
- Mini Turbines are incorporated in the grille which convert drag under braking into electricity

KERS (Kinetic Energy Recovery System)
- Adapt similar KERS developed for the F1 car
- On-off-on again program involving Twin Parallel Super capacitors between the driveshaft providing 10 sec power boost at the press of a button
- Allow driver to unleash the power on demand

Engine/Transmission
- V8 inherits from X5/X6M and unique to M5
- Under 580PS
- Engine synergizes with DKG Transmission and KERS
- Feature Cylinder Shutdown to aid fuel consumption (25% ~ 30% better than E60 M5)
- 8-Speed DCT
- Stop-Start Control
- Steering Wheel Mount Paddles
- Customizable Driving Options
- New electronic stability control with torque vectoring and roll control

Designed for Performance
- Side Air Intake under character line
- Flared wheel arches front and rear
- Large central grille, central intake size has been diminished
- More sculptured side skirts
- Typical quad exhaust with sculpted diffuser and central intake
- Small bootlid spoiler

Model/Timeline
- Hardcore model in the same vain as the BMW M5 CSL 25th Anniversary will be offered after standard M5
- A touring M5 is under consideration
- Production Concept at 2011 Geneva Autoshow
- Production model debut in early summer 2011
- World Premiere at IAA Frankfurt 2011 (European sales begin at the same time)

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I know it's a LONG, LONG, LONG way away, but I truly hope the "CSL" version isn't some insane price like the orange version of the M3...

Anyway, sounds like it'll be awesome. Should worry Panamera's some...
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Latest estimates suggest that the M5 will have 575ps and 530ft/lbs so it will probably be revving slightly higher than it does in the X5/6M.
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The one thing that is still bugging me is the 8 gears for the DCT (if that is what it will actually get). I mean there is nothing wrong with the 7 gears on the DCT that the M3 gets and surely it would have been easier to beef up the existing box instead of adapting a newer more complicated version, especially when they have the ZF auto which already has the right number of gears, can already cope with the torque and works perfectly with turbo engines.

The other thing about this info is that I did hear that KERS may well have been dropped or at the very least only be offered as an option.
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The one thing that is still bugging me is the 8 gears for the DCT (if that is what it will actually get). I mean there is nothing wrong with the 7 gears on the DCT that the M3 gets and surely it would have been easier to beef up the existing box instead of adapting a newer more complicated version, especially when they have the ZF auto which already has the right number of gears, can already cope with the torque and works perfectly with turbo engines.

The other thing about this info is that I did hear that KERS may well have been dropped or at the very least only be offered as an option.
Totally agree with the gearbox thing, plus I read somewhere that the ZF auto box aside from being really rather good, is suitable for adding electric power sources (as used in hybrid systems) so it would be perfect for KERS (at least in the introduction stages).

If anything, the newer and torquier engine would need _fewer_ gears than 7 surely? It's good that they're introducing quite a few new techs to a brand new platform... I just hope it's not a case of one too many....
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