Which Meth-Kit without JB4

[black-n54]

hello guys

I want to install meth kit on my M5.

Can I use the BMS Meth kit for that without JB4 on it?

If no, which Meth kit is good for me?

[NightM]

Originally Posted by black-n54

hello guys

I want to install meth kit on my M5.

Can I use the BMS Meth kit for that without JB4 on it?

If no, which Meth kit is good for me?

Aem kit. Simple and easy to use



Aquamist is more complex goes with duty cycle of injectors i believe.

i have Aem

U need bms piggy


But flash tune is better will work much better with mods

[erm324]

Having used multiple brands in the past, I would highly recommend Aquamist with the Howerton Tank setup.

I've also used the BMS CoolingMist meth kit in the past, and it worked flawlessly without any issues - but prefer the accuracy of the Aquamist as it works with the car's IDC.

[mike@x-ph.com]

You mean no JB4 or no tune at all?

No reason to use meth without a tune

[NightM]

Originally Posted by erm324

Having used multiple brands in the past, I would highly recommend Aquamist with the Howerton Tank setup.

I've also used the BMS CoolingMist meth kit in the past, and it worked flawlessly without any issues - but prefer the accuracy of the Aquamist as it works with the car's IDC.

Well dpeends on his budget also

What type of fluid he will be running


I run Boost juice safer ONLY for Cooling purpose
NOT Flammable

Never ran M1 pure some use it as octane booster also


If you dnt have either Piggy or Flash. No point to ran meth otherwise your car
Will have Knock Knock joke!


Knock knock!

Whos there?



Cylinder 5!


Cylinder 5 who,



Cylinder 5 missing

[combatbmw]

You crazy as hell my dude!

Originally Posted by F10M5Manual

Well dpeends on his budget also

What type of fluid he will be running


I run Boost juice safer ONLY for Cooling purpose
NOT Flammable

Never ran M1 pure some use it as octane booster also


If you dnt have either Piggy or Flash. No point to ran meth otherwise your car
Will have Knock Knock joke!


Knock knock!

Whos there?



Cylinder 5!


Cylinder 5 who,



Cylinder 5 missing

[Speed808Ix]

Originally Posted by mike@x-ph.com

You mean no JB4 or no tune at all?

No reason to use meth without a tune

THIS ^^^

[A Frankfurt]

Originally Posted by black-n54

hello guys

I want to install meth kit on my M5.

Can I use the BMS Meth kit for that without JB4 on it?

If no, which Meth kit is good for me?

Check out Snow Performance.
We have installed a few of their kits.
Recently on a F80 M3 and F10 M5

I use BMS and Snow Performance products together.
You'll benefit with the BMS JB4/BCM and get a huge power increase and be able to control the meth flow in a safe manner

[erm324]

Originally Posted by F10M5Manual

Well dpeends on his budget also

What type of fluid he will be running


I run Boost juice safer ONLY for Cooling purpose
NOT Flammable

Never ran M1 pure some use it as octane booster also


If you dnt have either Piggy or Flash. No point to ran meth otherwise your car
Will have Knock Knock joke!


Knock knock!

Whos there?



Cylinder 5!


Cylinder 5 who,



Cylinder 5 missing

Lol!

Yeah it depends. I've never wasted my time with Boost Juice and always used VP M1. Started at 50/50 (with distilled water) for safety and eventually wound up at 80/20 or higher most of the time.

Agreed, you need to have it installed property to ensure no flow issues, and have it integrated with the JB4 for safety purposes. Safe if done right, and performance-wise makes a world of a difference.

IMHO there's really no purpose in adding meth and running 23+lbs on a stock DCT M5 - you'll have the power, but won't be able to go anywhere with the clutches slipping. On the other hand, with a Dodson setup the gains are well worth it. When the time comes Im planning on doing the Dodson + meth install together.

[black-n54]

yes i have a Flash tune on my car, sorry.

So I want also to use it for cooling.

I've ordered the BMS meth kit, maybe I can get it work without JB4.

I will report.

[allmotor_2000]

Originally Posted by black-n54

yes i have a Flash tune on my car, sorry.

So I want also to use it for cooling.

I've ordered the BMS meth kit, maybe I can get it work without JB4.

I will report.

The costing nozzle position (charge pipe pre-intercooler) doesn't help much in terms of cooling.

[m5james]

I've thought about getting meth for its decarbonation benefits and have been told that it'll still gain like 20hp just because of its octane and timing benefits until I can get tuning for it. This looks just like the ECS kit, just lower priced - http://sohiperformance.com/i-2151943...lWxBoCmf3w_wcB

[Mike@N54Tuning.com]

Running meth without a proper safety system and proportional boost control system that only increases boost as meth starts flowing is asking for engine trouble, IMO. BMS has a well proven kit that is simple to install, has good compression fittings where it counts, and most importantly has the integrated electronics to allow safe operation.

Mike

[m5james]

The link above is the same kit ECS sells without their markup. Aren't their systems built directly into the meth kit for protection as well? Sure, we can't run AS MUCH meth without a specific meth tune, but I'd assume the computer will adjust positively to the added octane benefits and carbon cleaning is positive overall after watching N5* videos having to walnut blast their intakes...I haven't seen it yet because our intakes are harder to reach, but I'd imagine we suffer from the same direct injection issues.

In my case, integrated electronics like the JB4 would be nice, but they don't make it for the X5M/X6M vehicles. In the black-n54's case, JB4 aside, what's so much better about the BMS/Cooling Mist setup vs the ECS/Snow Performance kit since both are just universal kits anyways?

https://www.ecstuning.com/BMW-F10-M5...nol_Injection/
http://burgertuning.com/meth.html

[Mike@N54Tuning.com]

Originally Posted by m5james

The link above is the same kit ECS sells without their markup. Aren't their systems built directly into the meth kit for protection as well? Sure, we can't run AS MUCH meth without a specific meth tune, but I'd assume the computer will adjust positively to the added octane benefits and carbon cleaning is positive overall after watching N5* videos having to walnut blast their intakes...I haven't seen it yet because our intakes are harder to reach, but I'd imagine we suffer from the same direct injection issues.

In my case, integrated electronics like the JB4 would be nice, but they don't make it for the X5M/X6M vehicles. In the black-n54's case, JB4 aside, what's so much better about the BMS/Cooling Mist setup vs the ECS/Snow Performance kit since both are just universal kits anyways?

https://www.ecstuning.com/BMW-F10-M5...nol_Injection/
http://burgertuning.com/meth.html

For the older X5M the BMS Stage1 tune is available which also includes menthol control. It's not as good as the JB4 meth control as Stage1 can't monitor timing advance, fuel trims, AFR, etc, but it's better than nothing.

Coolingmist makes a kit but this is not what BMS sells. They have their own kit using some CM parts and other parts they've sourced. They found the CM fittings to be leak prone and the CM kit does not have the proper filter or electronics for the platform. The BMS kit also requires a JB4.

How you use the JB4 is up to you. You could use it only as a smart meth controller if you had a flash map already for example. This would give the safety and logging capability of the JB4 while not interfering with your flash tuning. Alternatively you could setup the JB4 to run a more aggressive meth map ONLY when enabled. So you have your flash map normally then at the push of a button in dash can turn on meth when the mood to go fast strikes.

Mike

[m5james]

In my case, I'm guessing that going to a BMS stage 1 for its meth control would still be a downgrade from my current stage 2 flashed tune.

For both black-n54 and myself, are you saying that running meth without out a specific tune won't gain ANY benefits? What about water only? I've got octane and carbon stuck in my head and you haven't said anything in regards to that. Either way that ECS kit is currently being used by 700+hp members here on this board, so while I don't have JB4 access, I figured it couldn't hurt to get a meth kit for at least the above mentioned reasons until my tuner and/or BMS make the JB4 for E** bodies.

[Mike@N54Tuning.com]

Originally Posted by m5james

In my case, I'm guessing that going to a BMS stage 1 for its meth control would still be a downgrade from my current stage 2 tune.

For both black-n54 and myself, are you saying that running meth without out a specific tune won't gain ANY benefits? What about water only? I've got octane and carbon stuck in my head and you haven't said anything in regards to that. Either way that ECS kit is currently being used by 700+hp members here on this board, so while I don't have JB4 access, I figured it couldn't hurt to get a meth kit for at least the above mentioned reasons until my tuner and/or BMS make the JB4 for E** bodies.

You would keep your flash tuning the same and just use the Stage1 to run the meth kit and safety. Maybe at most to add 1 or 2 psi when meth is flowing to make it worthwhile.

Mike

[black-n54]

where I can get a good DIY for installing the meth kit on the M5 with jb4?

[Mike@N54Tuning.com]

Originally Posted by black-n54

where I can get a good DIY for installing the meth kit on the M5 with jb4?

There should be a DIY posted on BMS's site.. In the Install guide section.

Mike

[black-n54]

is it a problem when I use my WW tank for the meth? because I didnt want a external tank in my back.

[NightM]

Originally Posted by black-n54

where I can get a good DIY for installing the meth kit on the M5 with jb4?

Personally I'd get it Installed by a shop that has been doing this type of work, sometimes just leave it to the pros who installs this on a daily basis, you are dealing with something that can potentially cause fires or something else in your car.

[m5james]

Originally Posted by black-n54

is it a problem when I use my WW tank for the meth? because I didnt want a external tank in my back.

That's a very common thing to do, you'll get mixed reviews of doing it though. I was just reading on the 3 series boards about how they do it and thought that when the day comes that I'll likely do the same for ease of installation and a nice factory warning about being low on fluid.