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[POW_MIA]

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[TheHouseWon]

Any dyno or vbox data on MP tunes?

[boots]

Originally Posted by ROBNYC

MCarsFan boots You guys are near Cali should have a talk

Hi rob. I'm in Houston and Rob is in Dallas

[MCarsFan]

Yes.. Moved to TX a year ago

[TheHouseWon]

Originally Posted by TheHouseWon

Any dyno or vbox data on MP tunes?

I've searched everywhere and can't find any data on MP's S63T tune.

Although, with all the mudslinging between vendors it might be a good idea to just stick with JB4+BCM and call it a day?

[ARC550]

Originally Posted by ROBNYC

Vendors? well yea they're all going to push jb4 since they gotta get paid right. Tuners dont have all the time to be on the forums everyday then how would they have time to tune?

After seeing what ARC550 M6 put down baseline and jb4+bcm , I would find your a GOOD tuner that can work with you on a Flash Tune. I would run from those who push you to use a jb4 stack without having upgraded turbos since it means they're using canned/bought OTS base files and need the jb4 to make power haha.

Base: 560whp
JB4+BCM: 610whp
M6 Flash Tune Only: 688whp (better power curve no throttle closure)

F10M5Manual can vouch as well

Correct good sir.
Tune = King

[Bmw doubles]

I would say if your unsure of what process you're going to use for more power piggyback or flash just know what those AFRs look like. A flash that makes more power from running too lean, well then know you're playing with hot lava and hot lava you gonna get burned

[TheHouseWon]

Originally Posted by ROBNYC

Vendors? well yea they're all going to push jb4 since they gotta get paid right. Tuners dont have all the time to be on the forums everyday then how would they have time to tune?

After seeing what ARC550 M6 put down baseline and jb4+bcm , I would find your a GOOD tuner that can work with you on a Flash Tune. I would run from those who push you to use a jb4 stack without having upgraded turbos since it means they're using canned/bought OTS base files and need the jb4 to make power haha.

Base: 560whp
JB4+BCM: 610whp
M6 Flash Tune Only: 688whp (better power curve no throttle closure)

F10M5Manual can vouch as well

Who's a GOOD tuner? And how would I know they're good if I don't know how they've achieved the power?

I think we need a tuning 101 video that shows what these guys actually do besides lean out the AFR. I don't know the first thing about tuning but I do know that if you advance timing and lean out the AFR your car will make more power. The trick is to do it reliably so as to not blow up your engine (a good tuner would do this). Every single tuner has been criticized by another tuner saying they used a canned tune or stole it from another tuner or just leaned out AFR and stacked JB4, etc. I once overheard a tuner telling a prospective customer, criticizing another tuner, saying "everyone's a tuner" implying that the other guy just hung a shingle and cut/paste code he stole from somewhere and called it custom.

Makes me want to stay stock and just throw a nice sounding set up pipes on my car. Maybe a few cosmetics and be done. You'd think tuners would respect each other and show each other professional courtesy (seen in MANY industries). The real problem is that there are few barriers to entry and literally anyone really can be a 'tuner' including me--so long as I sound like I know what I'm talking about.

Experience in the automotive industry trumps sales pitches and fancy degrees, in my opinion. I guess after writing this I've come to the conclusion that the best tuner is one with BMW training and one who has tuned 100's of cars with minimal damage.

/rant off

[NightM]

Originally Posted by TheHouseWon

Who's a GOOD tuner? And how would I know they're good if I don't know how they've achieved the power?

I think we need a tuning 101 video that shows what these guys actually do besides lean out the AFR. I don't know the first thing about tuning but I do know that if you advance timing and lean out the AFR your car will make more power. The trick is to do it reliably so as to not blow up your engine (a good tuner would do this). Every single tuner has been criticized by another tuner saying they used a canned tune or stole it from another tuner or just leaned out AFR and stacked JB4, etc. I once overheard a tuner telling a prospective customer, criticizing another tuner, saying "everyone's a tuner" implying that the other guy just hung a shingle and cut/paste code he stole from somewhere and called it custom.

Makes me want to stay stock and just throw a nice sounding set up pipes on my car. Maybe a few cosmetics and be done. You'd think tuners would respect each other and show each other professional courtesy (seen in MANY industries). The real problem is that there are few barriers to entry and literally anyone really can be a 'tuner' including me--so long as I sound like I know what I'm talking about.

Experience in the automotive industry trumps sales pitches and fancy degrees, in my opinion. I guess after writing this I've come to the conclusion that the best tuner is one with BMW training and one who has tuned 100's of cars with minimal damage.

/rant off

Name me one person that has cross 22lbs on full flash.
then lets see some hardcore race videos of the tune they have manage to put out on the car by driving it back to back on races.

Dyno Sheets is One Thing, Dyno Numbers is One thing also, but those are just numbers. somedays they dyno is temperamental and it should ONLY be use as guidance on improvements and improving changes of the tune and not by whp.



Its not just leaning out afrs. Thetes alot of tables to read n tools n software to choose one. Its just who do you think will you trust more.

My tune is not about making power and peak power i want a tune that is safe and strong for me n my car

All these other options but i haven't seen any consistency on them. I beat the crap out of my car every week videos to prove it.
Alot are doing jb,dinan etc. i want consistency and powerband.

Which is achieved theres a few articles on other forum that so Far, Precision is the only that is maing good clean power.
Like what dinan claims didnt put it on dyno, hence owner went with precision tune n achieved more than any tunes out there


here is an example of another customer they had where i was there to witness the Tune take place.
M6 made a baseline
and after just Tune

it was 635whp/660wtrq
he was expecting around 670/680 as what the other M6 gained.
but Kevin said. dyno and weather was reading low, "don't Worry About it. race your Buddy i tuned M5 that puts 660/680
you can tell his face was a little down due to numbers wasn't targeted.

so they race, and well, M6 left the M5, sometimes people just go by numbers which makes the car look awesome but after them racing 4x he was convinced what have told him, is dnt look at the numbers look at the graph.

[NightM]

Ex. Dinan B7 switch to PT Tune

[TheHouseWon]

Those are serious numbers F10M5Manual

What do you mean "FULL ECU TUNE"? Are you saying no other tuner has been able to go beyond 22psi without stacking JB4/BCM?

Does Precision specialise more on Subura than BMW? Are the M tuners at Precision former BMW techs?

[NightM]

Originally Posted by TheHouseWon

Those are serious numbers F10M5Manual

What do you mean "FULL ECU TUNE"? Are you saying no other tuner has been able to go beyond 22psi without stacking JB4/BCM?

Does Precision specialise more on Subura than BMW? Are the M tuners at Precision former BMW techs?

Those are serious numbers F10M5Manual

Thanks bud!!!

What do you mean "FULL ECU TUNE"? Are you saying no other tuner has been able to go beyond 22psi without stacking JB4/BCM?

You are correct 99% are using jb3 to trick to boosting more thats basically what jb4 is.

I dont have any of that piggy

Does Precision specialise more on Subura than BMW? Yes you are right!
But Precision has broken any other flashes out there! Making power On a Full Dme Flash from Bmw & Mercedes. And their tune is strong and couldnt be any happier with provided roll race runs and dyno sheets.

Car is a car bro, there are same tables and those tables are numbers you tweak or tune it jst like any other car

Are the M tuners at Precision former BMW techs?
No need to be techs to be a tuner!
You need to look for is years of experience of tuners

[wakeofdeath]

Originally Posted by F10M5Manual

Those are serious numbers F10M5Manual

Thanks bud!!!

What do you mean "FULL ECU TUNE"? Are you saying no other tuner has been able to go beyond 22psi without stacking JB4/BCM?

You are correct 99% are using jb3 to trick to boosting more thats basically what jb4 is.

I dont have any of that piggy

Does Precision specialise more on Subura than BMW? Yes you are right!
But Precision has broken any other flashes out there! Making power On a Full Dme Flash from Bmw & Mercedes. And their tune is strong and couldnt be any happier with provided roll race runs and dyno sheets.

Car is a car bro, there are same tables and those tables are numbers you tweak or tune it jst like any other car

Are the M tuners at Precision former BMW techs?
No need to be techs to be a tuner!
You need to look for is years of experience of tuners

Who else can go beyond 22psi without Piggy ?

[MissionPerformance]

Originally Posted by wakeofdeath

Who else can go beyond 22psi without Piggy ?

We can do that as well. Have been doing it on N63tu as well. Much smaller turbo on this engine makes it harder to do so.

[onfireX5]

N63tu twin-turbo's are smaller than the S63tu twin-turbo's ?

[MissionPerformance]

Yes, by far.

[NightM]

Any dyno charts and boost charts on over 22psi.
On s63tu
Like what i say, pics vids or didnt happen.

Heres when they got up to 23.5. Psi

Then now at 25.5

[Bmw doubles]

Impressive!

F10M5Manual that's on stock map sensors?

[wakeofdeath]

Very nice F10M5Manual i see the mention of meth was this with or without spraying ? or 100% 93 pump results

Very nice work, but i did get confuse a few times lol.
Better/Bigger/Clear Dyno graphs would be easier to read too

Nevertheless great job, at least someone being clear on tuning and mods.

[NightM]

Originally Posted by wakeofdeath

Very nice F10M5Manual i see the mention of meth was this with or without spraying ? or 100% 93 pump results

Very nice work, but i did get confuse a few times lol.
Better/Bigger/Clear Dyno graphs would be easier to read too

Nevertheless great job, at least someone being clear on tuning and mods.

Yes meth and always on Pump gas
Pump gas due to not everybody will run Race Gas and atleast when you get tune you (public) will have an idea on what car will put out with pump gas
Since if you get Ptune most of life of car will use pump 93 gas


I upload through phone Though,

[wakeofdeath]

bump any new updates?

[A Frankfurt]

Originally Posted by F10M5Manual

Yes meth and always on Pump gas
Pump gas due to not everybody will run Race Gas and atleast when you get tune you (public) will have an idea on what car will put out with pump gas
Since if you get Ptune most of life of car will use pump 93 gas


I upload through phone Though,

Nice numbers !!