08-05-2014, 02:29 AM | #67 | |
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After watching the video in slow mo my opinion is the same. I think it was savable the driver is very slow with counter steering.
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But since member @karussell probably is the only poster in this thread with extensive racing and track day experience on the Nurburgring, I am inclined to listen to his opinion on this incident |
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08-05-2014, 09:33 AM | #70 | |
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Its easy to look at the video and say oh yeah countersteer duh. why don't you try it for yourself then? its a high 3rd gear corner. that concrete is slick as snot and it falls away from the track making it a vacuum. when it pitches a car at the limit you aren't likely to get out of it. judging by the impact he probably was concerned with saving the passengers and was on the brakes hard once the car went around on him. hell its probably team orders for that turn. I don't know this driver but I rode with claudia hurtgen. Andy Priaulx is another ring taxi driver. look them up. they know how to countersteer along with winning races...
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every 911 can get around the track quite well as long as the driver knows what they are doing. the M5 is heavy and its loaded with passengers. I am pretty sure the drivers have to keep the speed down too as it definitely can go faster on the straights yet they hold back. I think they need to stick to a 9 minute b2g lap from what i see there. now if it were me having to drive the ring taxi all day long and i want to get some practice in i would probably coast on the straights and talk with passengers while pushing in the corners to get most of my time.
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on this track above all others shit happens. every bmw taxi driver knows this well. i still think its probably best ride in the park...certainly safest. you might be unlucky and get a lap with a real lunatic like me sometime.
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It looks like he was late with counter lock. I don't take the explanation that the stripe of concrete was slippery as then the front wheels would give up first and the car would go understeer.
He was too early on the throttle and just went wide out of the corner. Then lifted the throttle and went oversteer. The rears lost traction. Too narrow track to save it. Whatever he would try to do the result would be the same. Hit nicely with the front first which was the safest for all the guys onboard. |
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08-05-2014, 02:35 PM | #75 |
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Just watched a few other ring videos, and it appears that in most vids the F10 ring taxis try intentionally power slide out of the corner...check it out:
I'm no track expert but looks like he was carried a bit too much into the corner and didn't react fast enough to the slide. It happens, maybe he put focus on the P-car behind instead of driving - knowing that he should have let him pass. Glad nobody was hurt.
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08-05-2014, 03:03 PM | #76 | |
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If my Ring Taxi driver only went at 75%, I would be quite disappointed. I don't recognise the driver, and I am guessing that he is not too experienced with driving that car, with the extra weight of 3 passengers, including 2 in the rear. Frankly the M5 is so well sorted, and he really was not soooo hot going into the turn (barely off-line at the exit) it looks like a pretty poor bit of car control. If he was losing it before the apex, or way off line at the exit, it might be different, but this was poor car control rather than excess speed into the corner. Maybe even lifting off...... |
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I am amazed how quickly those P's stopped - just amazing! |
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It reminds me of when an ambulance approaches a busy junction - most drivers just have no idea what to do and panic! |
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glad nobody hurt...sure he was trying to power slide.... guess it was a bad day for the passengers also....not only the driver...
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Taking ED of M5 now and did a lap on the Ring the same morning. As we finished the lap around 09:45am, we stopped off at the souvenir shop to get some stuff for the kids, and just happened to take these pics of cars lining up for ring....
@ufgtrs2007 - like the others said, just run it for fun and not to impress or for time. I got a bit worried reading about the things that could happen but decide to do a lap. The wife and 9, 7, & 4 years old all rode in the car for the lap. Everyone agreed it was better than any roller coaster they've been on. |
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Thanks for the advice. I've been playing GT5 and learning the track. I'll be there on Wednesday October 15th for the after hours/afternoon tourist ride, so hopefully there won't be much traffic. Last edited by ufgtrs2007; 08-06-2014 at 06:47 PM.. |
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Yeah, I've done plenty of track days and consider myself a competent driver. I think I'm more worried about everyone else around me as well as being on a new track. I've driven the track many times on GT5, so I'm confident in my ability to be able to drive it. I plan to take it easy and enjoy the experience more than anything else. |
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The wheel/spokes on the front tires should not be visible to to the viewer when viewed from straight back side of the scene, as shown in the first (screenshot from the video posted by @M54ccibo) of the following photos. Compared that to the following 3 stillshots from this crash video and look how the wheel spokes are clearly visible to the viewer at the back. The front tires should've been turned much more so that all you'd see is the tire tread.
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