m5 future price

[E92TTKING]

Hey guys!

Just wondering what a 2013/14 m5 with ~40k miles would be worth in 3 years from now? My guess is low 50's?

[sdshah]

Originally Posted by E92TTKING

Hey guys!

Just wondering what a 2013/14 m5 with ~40k miles would be worth in 3 years from now? My guess is low 50's?

2013- Low 40's they are worth 65k now. These drop in value fast especially when no longer under warranty.

[dgp]

Originally Posted by sdshah

2013- Low 40's they are worth 65k now. These drop in value fast especially when no longer under warranty.

Why does the M3/M4 keep value a bit better than the M5 in the used market?

[M5Rlz]

Originally Posted by dgp

Why does the M3/M4 keep value a bit better than the M5 in the used market?

People typically don't want a land cruiser sedan as their performance car also at least last gen the e90/92 m3's were incredibly reliable as opposed to the awful v10's... We'll see if that trend continues when these cars probably being equally reliable.

[dgp]

Originally Posted by 335iRlz

People typically don't want a land cruiser sedan as their performance car also at least last gen the e90/92 m3's were incredibly reliable as opposed to the awful v10's... We'll see if that trend continues when these cars probably being equally reliable.

That's for the previous generation. But even the current gen V8 turbo - 2012/2013 models depreciated quite a bit. Why is the depreciation steeper?

[Knicks_fan2]

Originally Posted by dgp

That's for the previous generation. But even the current gen V8 turbo - 2012/2013 models depreciated quite a bit. Why is the depreciation steeper?

I generally see major depreciation on the super sedans (e63 and M5, among others, including the more softer ones) that msrp in the high 90s 100+ as there are less people willing to buy them used in the 80s and 90s (as there are to buy them new in the 100s) so they quickly lose market value in that range until they are more in line at around the 60s and 70s. At that point, the depreciation curve looks fairly normal and falls in line with the M3.

[oryshi]

This is a difficult question to answer.
1. Many people prefer to lease these cars due to depreciation and future repair costs
2. Once used cars hit a certain mileage, banks will no longer finance them, which means it's a cash deal. Not too many people will be willing to drop that much cash, hence the depreciation
3. At some point it becomes a game of hot potato - who will be left holding the bag. trust me - you don't want to be the one stuck with a premium performance car with around 100k miles on it.

[M5Rlz]

Originally Posted by oryshi

This is a difficult question to answer.
1. Many people prefer to lease these cars due to depreciation and future repair costs
2. Once used cars hit a certain mileage, banks will no longer finance them, which means it's a cash deal. Not too many people will be willing to drop that much cash, hence the depreciation
3. At some point it becomes a game of hot potato - who will be left holding the bag. trust me - you don't want to be the one stuck with a premium performance car with around 100k miles on it.

Eh I think this generations DCT/Engine is FARRRRR superior to the horror stories you hear about the v10 era... And even going back to the SMG v8 era prior to that...

I would certainly buy a single owner F10 with 100k miles... Unless I knew the people just beat the living s* out of the car...

As far as op. I think they'll stay in the 35-45k range from 60k miles onward for a few years.

[M5Beast_NYC]

I too am interested in possibly getting into a 3-4 yrs old M5. How reliable are these cars? I've been reading the forums hoping I can track these for future reference. Could you link me to a thread that talks about reliability and such if any. Thx

[RPiM5]

Originally Posted by Carbonm3ny

I too am interested in possibly getting into a 3-4 yrs old M5. How reliable are these cars? I've been reading the forums hoping I can track these for future reference. Could you link me to a thread that talks about reliability and such if any. Thx

The 2013 BMW M5 here in America has been hit especially hard with depreciation because BMW created a huge surplus of the 2013 Model Year M5 when they decided on their production strategy back in 2012. The 2014, 2015, and 2016 M5 here in American will see less depreciation the older they get because there simply aren't as many of them, plus the 2014 was the start of the LCI for the M5 and included some options you couldn't get on the 2013's such as LED Headlights, Competition Package, Carbon Ceramic brakes, etc, further helping to lessen depreciation.

As far as reliability, you have to remember that for the American market, the 2013 M5 was the second production year of the M5, they never got the 2012 which gave the company a whole production year to sort out bugs. In general 2013 M5 have proven themselves to be vastly more reliable than the previous generation E60 M5. In the E60 M5 there were undeniable design flaws in engineering with that car, with the F10 M5 there simply aren't any such design flaws. The DCT is pretty much rock solid, the engine is almost bullet proof, and other components are much better engineered, to include some of the most fundamental designs of the car, such as the chassis itself. The F10 platform on its own, doesn't matter if it's a 528i, 535i, 550i, or M5, is vastly superior engineering design and product compared to the E60. Most of the major issues related to the M5 in general have been due to software, which BMW does update. There have been a few isolated cases of an F10 M5 engine dying or drivetrain malfunctions occurring for no explicable reasons, but compared to say even the new F80 M3/F82 M4, they have had more engine failures in the past year than the F10 M5 and F13 M6 have had in the past 3 years of production.

So with that, even a used 2013 F10 M5 with 80,000 miles on it will be a fairly bullet proof car. People just don't realize that BMW cars in general these days have come a long way in engineering and reliability, although each series and generation will always have its quirks. No product is perfect, but at least we haven't seen something like the N54 turbo, S85 Rod Bearing, or SMG III Clutch problems in any of today's newer BMW's.

Some simple things to watch out for when shopping for a used F10 M5 are some of the following (please feel free to add something if I forget):

- Bang and Olufsen Sound System buzzing from dash center speaker

- Rattling from B-Pillars

- Clicking noise from front wheels (dirt caught in the knuckle of the wheel)

- Excessive brake squeeling (Service Bulletin out about this by BMW)

- Excessive oil consumption (happens to almost all F10 M5's)

- Rear Brake Pads and rotors naturally wear out faster than the fronts on the F10 M5 due to nature of Stability Control System.

- Style 601M wheels on Competition Package may get bent more easily because they are cast and not forged. Also the 601M's are heavier than the 343M's.

That's pretty much it!

Some other things every buyer should know about the F10 M5.

- BMW's recommended maintenance plan calls for a spark plug change about every 50,000 miles, so if you buy a car approaching 50,000 miles you should change the spark plugs soon.

- BMW still sets the regular oil change interval to 12,000 miles, this was lowered from 14,000 miles in the past. I recommend changing it every 6,000 miles and I also recommend switching to Liqui-Moly 5W-30.

- BMW Carbon Ceramic brake rotors will need to be changed every 100,000 miles and pads every 50,000 miles for regular driving. If used on the track, the ceramic pads and rotors will need to be changed sooner. Also a single rotor is about $4,000 dollars. Have fun replacing those.

- BMW recommends changing the DCT fluid about every 100,000 miles. This is compared to every 25,000 to 40,000 miles on the old SMG III.

- For normal every day driving with maybe a couple track sessions, you can expect to change the standard steel rotors about every 50,000 miles, same with the pads on the front. Like I said, the rears wear faster though.

[M5Beast_NYC]

Thanks RPiM5!! Great information there. Couple of question though: So is the excessive engine oil a norm? I would think this is an issue going forward and you have to keep a quart or two of oil in your trunk for safety.

Second, has there been any known overheating issue? ive heard from a reputable BMW shop that the twin turbo V8 are known to overheat cuz of the turbos on top of the intake manifold/valve cover.

[RPiM5]

Originally Posted by Carbonm3ny

Thanks RPiM5!! Great information there. Couple of question though: So is the excessive engine oil a norm? I would think this is an issue going forward and you have to keep a quart or two of oil in your trunk for safety.

Second, has there been any known overheating issue? ive heard from a reputable BMW shop that the twin turbo V8 are known to overheat cuz of the turbos on top of the intake manifold/valve cover.

Don't know where you've heard that from, but I've never heard of S63tu engine overheating during normal operation even on a race track. If anything the S63tu engine is over-engineered for cooling. I can't remember exactly, but I'm sure that there are around 13 coolers/radiators in the car. Plus those massive intercoolers in the front help keep the turbos very cool, even in the Mojave Desert, where I have in fact drove the F10 M5 in the summer to 150mph in the sprawling 115 degree F desert.

Oh yes, I recommend always keeping an extra quart of oil in the trunk. Although you can go to any Autozone a pick up a bottle no problem because Autozones are everywhere. It was much more of a pain with the 10W-60 that the E60 M5 used, as the best place to get it in person was only at the dealership.

[dgp]

[QUOTE=RPiM5;18405202] There have been a few isolated cases of an F10 M5 engine dying or drivetrain malfunctions occurring for no explicable reasons, but compared to say even the new F80 M3/F82 M4, they have had more engine failures in the past year than the F10 M5 and F13 M6 have had in the past 3 years of production.
QUOTE]

Any proof? So far it seems F80/82 don't consume oil in a similar fashion to M5.

[Merlin_83]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

The 2013 BMW M5 here in America has been hit especially hard with depreciation because BMW created a huge surplus of the 2013 Model Year M5 when they decided on their production strategy back in 2012. The 2014, 2015, and 2016 M5 here in American will see less depreciation the older they get because there simply aren't as many of them, plus the 2014 was the start of the LCI for the M5 and included some options you couldn't get on the 2013's such as LED Headlights, Competition Package, Carbon Ceramic brakes, etc, further helping to lessen depreciation.

As far as reliability, you have to remember that for the American market, the 2013 M5 was the second production year of the M5, they never got the 2012 which gave the company a whole production year to sort out bugs. In general 2013 M5 have proven themselves to be vastly more reliable than the previous generation E60 M5. In the E60 M5 there were undeniable design flaws in engineering with that car, with the F10 M5 there simply aren't any such design flaws. The DCT is pretty much rock solid, the engine is almost bullet proof, and other components are much better engineered, to include some of the most fundamental designs of the car, such as the chassis itself. The F10 platform on its own, doesn't matter if it's a 528i, 535i, 550i, or M5, is vastly superior engineering design and product compared to the E60. Most of the major issues related to the M5 in general have been due to software, which BMW does update. There have been a few isolated cases of an F10 M5 engine dying or drivetrain malfunctions occurring for no explicable reasons, but compared to say even the new F80 M3/F82 M4, they have had more engine failures in the past year than the F10 M5 and F13 M6 have had in the past 3 years of production.

So with that, even a used 2013 F10 M5 with 80,000 miles on it will be a fairly bullet proof car. People just don't realize that BMW cars in general these days have come a long way in engineering and reliability, although each series and generation will always have its quirks. No product is perfect, but at least we haven't seen something like the N54 turbo, S85 Rod Bearing, or SMG III Clutch problems in any of today's newer BMW's.

Some simple things to watch out for when shopping for a used F10 M5 are some of the following (please feel free to add something if I forget):

- Bang and Olufsen Sound System buzzing from dash center speaker

- Rattling from B-Pillars

- Clicking noise from front wheels (dirt caught in the knuckle of the wheel)

- Excessive brake squeeling (Service Bulletin out about this by BMW)

- Excessive oil consumption (happens to almost all F10 M5's)

- Rear Brake Pads and rotors naturally wear out faster than the fronts on the F10 M5 due to nature of Stability Control System.

- Style 601M wheels on Competition Package may get bent more easily because they are cast and not forged. Also the 601M's are heavier than the 343M's.

That's pretty much it!

Some other things every buyer should know about the F10 M5.

- BMW's recommended maintenance plan calls for a spark plug change about every 50,000 miles, so if you buy a car approaching 50,000 miles you should change the spark plugs soon.

- BMW still sets the regular oil change interval to 12,000 miles, this was lowered from 14,000 miles in the past. I recommend changing it every 6,000 miles and I also recommend switching to Liqui-Moly 5W-30.

- BMW Carbon Ceramic brake rotors will need to be changed every 100,000 miles and pads every 50,000 miles for regular driving. If used on the track, the ceramic pads and rotors will need to be changed sooner. Also a single rotor is about $4,000 dollars. Have fun replacing those.

- BMW recommends changing the DCT fluid about every 100,000 miles. This is compared to every 25,000 to 40,000 miles on the old SMG III.

- For normal every day driving with maybe a couple track sessions, you can expect to change the standard steel rotors about every 50,000 miles, same with the pads on the front. Like I said, the rears wear faster though.

THIS ! Yes ! This is exactly why I want to get a 2013 or 2014 M5 - great info and all that info should be a sticky. I subscribed so I can keep up to date on the thread. Also I just found a 2013 M5 at Niello BMW for sale price of $52,000 - marked down from $61K - not ready to buy just yet but good to see the pricing.

[xplodee]

My 2013 doesn't consume oil excessively. I've added two or three quarts in 20k miles.

[PatrickC23]

I'm guessing lower than that, those are going for low to mid 60s now depending on options.

[PatrickC23]

Originally Posted by xplodee

My 2013 doesn't consume oil excessively. I've added two or three quarts in 20k miles.

Same here, didn't top off my oil once in 2.5 years in my '13.