10-04-2018, 04:59 PM | #91 |
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Power figures are nearly identical, ours being slightly higher. Our pricing is significantly less, especially if you opt for the non-warrantied version. And of course, there is the fundamental difference of piggyback vs flash.
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OK, so I’ve been lurking for a while now, and it all sounds pretty good so far, but still a bit murky. I’m guessing you’ll publish some stock vs stage 1 dyno charts and we’ll all be relatively happy again. At that point, I’ll be pretty excited to purchase your tune, and I’m expecting that I’ll get it with the warranty (in case $hit hits the fan), but I had some questions about the mechanics of your warranty first.
Apologies in advance if any of this has already been addressed, it’s time consuming and confusing attempting to parse through all of the conversations in the dual threads, as well as the info on your site. 1. In the event of a catastrophic failure, I will likely attempt to conceal your tune (for reasons that I will elaborate on below), but assuming it is discovered and blamed for the failure, what happens next? Do you then step in and work with the dealer directly? What are the timelines, who exactly does the work, are loaners still covered, and is it paid directly or reimbursed? 2. Does your warranty include just the engine, or absolutely anything that BMW disqualifies based on your tune, but that would have been covered had the car been unmodified? An obvious example here would be the DCT, where they might opportunistically argue that additional power placed undue stress. 3. Your exclusion list includes “any vehicle operated in any competitive event or subjected to aggressive track conditions”. You’re referring to IMSA or club racing but NOT HPDE or lapping events, right? The correct answer is “yes, HPDE and lapping events are fine”, BTW, because otherwise that’s going to be a sticking point for a lot of us. 4. Are there any Canada-specific foibles we should be aware of? Shipping or duties on remanufactured parts, for example? 5. Assuming that if the dealer is aware of your tune it will preclude my adding a BMW warranty extension at the 4 year mark, I’ll likely still want to attempt to hide this from them. So when I flash back to my factory tune to go in for oil changes and whatnot: A. Will the calibration verification number (CVN) will match that of the stock ECU file? B. Will the flash counter be incremented when the ECU is written? Thanks in advance for taking the time to clearly answer my questions; I’m sure they will be of interest to many other following this thread. |
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Anyways, I appreciate your insight, but I'm optimistic that Carbahn will respond directly point by point, rather than relying on the broader community to infer answers elsewhere and then relay them on their behalf. Getting it from the horse's mouth would provide both more clarity and reassurance. |
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10-05-2018, 12:06 PM | #95 | |
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1. Generally speaking, we won't ask you to, and we actually prefer that you do not try and conceal the tune. This is has been, and still is Steve's approach on doing business ethically- that if we are to blame for a failure, we should be the ones to step up and handle the concern rather than trying to put the blame on someone not responsible - BMW in this case. The ideal sequence of events would be that if you experience a failure, you would call us, and we will suggest for you a trusted shop (we have about 200 around the country) to do a diagnosis. If the independent diagnosis tells us that we are to blame, we will take care of it, direct payment to the repair facility. You won't be asked to foot the bill, unless you somehow prefer to. Timelines will of course vary depending on the type of repair, parts availability, etc.. but we will handle every issue with urgency. We do not cover the cost of rentals or loaners, but if the car is at a BMW dealership, at their discretion they may or may not provide you a loaner out of their fleet. 2. Our coverage will be on anything that is affected by the modification. Of course, the claim needs to 'make sense' for us to agree. 3. We consider a competitive event to be one that is timed, and/or scored. Driving schools and things of that nature are no issue. 4. There are duties, but we're not sure exactly what it would amount to. 5. A. Yes, CVN will match. B. No, flash counters will be reset. Hope this helps! |
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Thanks, now we're getting somewhere quickly. A couple of follow-ups:
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So I'm not on the hook for shipping, but I am on the hook for duties? Have you ever done this in practice? |
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10-05-2018, 01:17 PM | #97 |
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Will the tune be 50 state emissions legal, or will we have to flash back to stock prior to a smog test?
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We will have no issue with a franchised BMW dealership performing repairs and/or diagnoses, but we will send you the parts in some cases. A good example would be in case of an engine failure, we would send you a CarBahn rebuilt engine instead of paying for a factory reman. If that were to happen, you would also have the option of upgrading to a built motor at the same time, but that's a whole another thing. For the shipping/duties question, are you referring to purchasing product from us, or what happens if we have to ship you a part for warranty? We are applying for emissions legality right now, which can be a lengthy process. As of right now, it is not emissions legal for road use. |
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In that scenario, we would handle both freight and duties. Thank you for the clarification. Logistically we do not expect you to have to do anything, because we will ship any and all parts directly to the dealership, and we will be available to guide the dealership should they have any questions. |
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Can i install it on my S55 powered M2 competition?
Have BMS intake on order and would likely want to install catless downpipes/charge pipe if i were to tune. Warranty still valid with supporting mods like those? |
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Those particular mods will not void the warranty. However, the warranty won't cover any diagnoses/etc needed that are caused by the supporting modifications. Quote:
We will not be putting out any 1/4 mile times, but will provide dyno plots before the end of the week. |
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Makes sense maf sensors debris into motor etc gotcha. Any dyno sheets to show torque curve? Does tune need any supporting mods or just charge pipes for extra boost pressure? |
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10-10-2018, 10:16 AM | #106 | |
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Sorry, we can't reserve any discounts for products not currently out, but we may run some kind of intro special for that as well once it is released. We are working on getting the dyno sheets published, however the majority of our team is on the other side of the country for our final race in IMSA, so it may need to wait until they are back. All our testing has been on 100% factory hardware including charge pipes, but you can feel free to upgrade them for peace of mind if desired. |
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10-10-2018, 10:49 AM | #107 | |
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Your going to test with m2c and release specific warrantied tune? |
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