Dyno Tested: New RK Autowerks CF Cold Air Intakes

[13M5F10]

This forum is full of fan boys so get over it. People chose MSR because of its proven performance and quality. Does it work? Feel free to ask everyone who has traded in their Eventuri, Gruppe, and BMS intakes for an MSR system. As you can see from my signature, I went full MsR as a few others have, not only has he provided a quality and proven product, but his customer service is top notch and has gone above and beyond to help his customers.

Razina, Rasa, Rahza, who gives a fuck. Feel free to sell your product, post, and contribute to the forums. This bickering back and fourth to market your product is rather disgusting and doesn't represent your company nor yourself well. I am not alone in this and this isn't your first. I have seen your countless failed threads and Facebook posts and it's been the same BS from you. You have yet to contribute to this forum and members aside from your tests to market your intakes. I don't care about all this data that the majority of these members don't even care to understand it, show me what your intakes can do on be street, 1/4 mile, dyno, VBOx and how it can improve my cars performance. I promise your intakes will sell like hot cakes. So far MsR has done that. You're turn.

[13M5F10]

Originally Posted by MSIXCARBON

Have you even seen either in person? The beauty of a 3D scan optimized design is that you can take up the maximum amount of real estate while fitting perfectly. There's a lot more involved in making the RK intakes than welding aluminum pipes together

I've seen them. RK intakes are beautifully design and the CF looks great. No issues with that.

Everyone including M6beast is grateful someone took a design and tried to make it better. That's awesome and that's how it should always be.

My suggestion is everyone stop this bickering and trying to discredit each other and start working together to support the forum members and their love for the M brand.

[Sales@RKautowerks]

Originally Posted by 13M5F10

This forum is full of fan boys so get over it. People chose MSR because of its proven performance and quality. Does it work? Feel free to ask everyone who has traded in their Eventuri, Gruppe, and BMS intakes for an MSR system. As you can see from my signature, I went full MsR as a few others have, not only has he provided a quality and proven product, but his customer service is top notch and has gone above and beyond to help his customers.

Razina, Rasa, Rahza, who gives a fuck. Feel free to sell your product, post, and contribute to the forums. This bickering back and fourth to market your product is rather disgusting and doesn't represent your company nor yourself well. I am not alone in this and this isn't your first. I have seen your countless failed threads and Facebook posts and it's been the same BS from you. You have yet to contribute to this forum and members aside from your tests to market your intakes. I don't care about all this data that the majority of these members don't even care to understand it, show me what your intakes can do on be street, 1/4 mile, dyno, VBOx and how it can improve my cars performance. I promise your intakes will sell like hot cakes. So far MsR has done that. You're turn.

No problem, i'll get you some more data. Apparently dyno testing and flow bench already posted is not good enough?...

Like i said when i first released these intakes, we offer 100% money back guarantee. You're welcome to test them out yourself.

-R

[MileHighM5]

Originally Posted by 13M5F10

This forum is full of fan boys so get over it. People chose MSR because of its proven performance and quality. Does it work? Feel free to ask everyone who has traded in their Eventuri, Gruppe, and BMS intakes for an MSR system. As you can see from my signature, I went full MsR as a few others have, not only has he provided a quality and proven product, but his customer service is top notch and has gone above and beyond to help his customers.

Razina, Rasa, Rahza, who gives a fuck. Feel free to sell your product, post, and contribute to the forums. This bickering back and fourth to market your product is rather disgusting and doesn't represent your company nor yourself well. I am not alone in this and this isn't your first. I have seen your countless failed threads and Facebook posts and it's been the same BS from you. You have yet to contribute to this forum and members aside from your tests to market your intakes. I don't care about all this data that the majority of these members don't even care to understand it, show me what your intakes can do on be street, 1/4 mile, dyno, VBOx and how it can improve my cars performance. I promise your intakes will sell like hot cakes. So far MsR has done that. You're turn.

Customer service doesn't make your car faster. What type of customer service could you possibly need on an intake? Don't be a little bitch about it.

[13M5F10]

Originally Posted by MileHigh335i

Customer service doesn't make your car faster. What type of customer service could you possibly need on an intake? Don't be a little bitch about it.

LOL! What a waste of time you are ... enjoy your day.

[MileHighM5]

Originally Posted by 13M5F10

LOL! What a waste of time you are ... enjoy your day.

Good response 👍

[13M5F10]

Originally Posted by Raza@RKautowerks

No problem, i'll get you some more data. Apparently dyno testing and flow bench already posted is not good enough?...

Like i said when i first released these intakes, we offer 100% money back guarantee. You're welcome to test them out yourself.

-R

Feel free to send me a set and I'll give you an unbiased comparison of both.

[MileHighM5]

Originally Posted by 13M5F10

Feel free to send me a set and I'll give you an unbiased comparison of both.

You are already biased based upon your posts. Buy a set, compare, and then return the set with the lowest increase in performance.

[Sales@RKautowerks]

Originally Posted by 13M5F10

Feel free to send me a set and I'll give you an unbiased comparison of both.

Let me know your paypal and ill send you an invoice. We offer a 100% guarantee if you're not happy.



-R

[13M5F10]

Originally Posted by MileHigh335i

You are already biased based upon your posts. Buy a set, compare, and then return the set with the lowest increase in performance.

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[MileHighM5]

Originally Posted by 13M5F10

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English must be your second language. You can do better.

[13M5F10]

Originally Posted by Raza@RKautowerks

Let me know your paypal and ill send you an invoice. We offer a 100% guarantee if you're not happy.



-R

I guess you misread my post. All good

[Sales@RKautowerks]

Originally Posted by 13M5F10

I guess you misread my post. All good

Are you asking me to send you a free set? I don't know ANYONE who will do that. I've essentially asked you for a deposit with money back guarantee. Doesn't really get better than that. If you know of other options, i'm all ears.

-R

[edysinger]

Originally Posted by Raza@RKautowerks

At no point did you increase the amount of air into the system. The mass flow equation for the maf is density x velocity x area. Area should stay constant, density will stay constant(if testing on same day) and velocity is a function of rpm which is controlled by your throttle body. Your in cylinder pressures(IMEP) never change at any point when swapping intakes. Why would you all of a sudden be putting "more" air into the engine if your throttle body angle hasn't changed? The maf table hasn't changed at all for the respective throttle body.

You have no reason to have ignition changes, fueling, or anything. Literally everything should stay the same. Saying your fuel trims need to adapt is like saying if I put lightweight Pistons, my car needs a retune. No your IMEP stayed the same, your FMEP went down, PMEP stayed same so your BMEP goes up. The only time you change ignition is if your in cylinder pressure(IMEP) changes because of combustion chamber factors. The pumping loop does not have any combustion so nothing is effected. No "more" air was introduced.

You are again incorrect. As I've posted in another thread and providing real world results of changing your delta_P your airflow increases. This is due to your pumping losses change for the better. Sorry but any entry level engineer familiar with fluid dynamics knows if you reduce the delta_P across your inlet, you are going to flow more fluid with the same opening because you are increasing the velocity through the orifice.

As I've attached a .bmp of real world data of an engine in a dyno cell to backup my claims. The only change was a change in delta_P across the intake system and you can see how airflow dropped and your intake depression increased.

So you might want to rethink your argument.

[Sales@RKautowerks]

Originally Posted by edysinger

You are again incorrect. As I've posted in another thread and providing real world results of changing your delta_P your airflow increases. This is due to your pumping losses change for the better. Sorry but any entry level engineer familiar with fluid dynamics knows if you reduce the delta_P across your inlet, you are going to flow more fluid with the same opening because you are increasing the velocity through the orifice.

As I've attached a .bmp of real world data of an engine in a dyno cell to backup my claims. The only change was a change in delta_P across the intake system and you can see how airflow dropped and your intake depression increased.

So you might want to rethink your argument.

Do you have this as a function of throttle angle? Is your table at WOT or partial throttle?

[tony.m6]

Originally Posted by Raza@RKautowerks

I asked you to explain how your product functions, validate it, explain to your consumers and future consumers. You keep avoiding the engineering questions. We're not talking about explaining love here, this is engineering 101, the stuff you learn the first day of class.

Your response with respect to vbox, quarter mile, and etc mean absolutely nothing. I just showed you with my data how much of a benefit a 2013 M5 has if you simply remove the charcoal filter. You have zero testing showing the charcoal filter vbox times, trap speeds, and etc on the same car.

As a design engineer you're responsible for validating a product and the fundamentals behind it. The "why" behind something working is more important than it working. It allows you to correct a design if it doesn't work, I call that knowledge growth. Everyone on here should ask WHY with governing physics behind a product when purchasing a performance product. The more we educate everyone, the better our community is. The consumer trusts you when you tell them something.

Why is it that your keep coming at me with remarks such as "you're doing anything and everything to sell your product." If i was a consumer and i asked you these questions, is that how you'd treat me? Everyone that has purchased product from me will tell you that when they ask me "why" something i developed works, i enjoy talking science with them. They walk away with more knowledge than when they met me. Even if they don't purchase anything, i know i did my part in the community.

I'm not going to ask you the same question again because it seems like you don't want to have a high level discussion.

-Raza (Rah Zah)<--- please don't butcher my name again George, thanks

Honestly you should be very shame, you copy George intake and now you talking BS that's very low men!!!



Nobody cares about your bs numbers in paper all we care about is gains we get in a race

[MSIXCARBON]

Originally Posted by tony.m6

Honestly you should be very shame, you copy George intake and now you talking BS that's very low men!!!



Nobody cares about your bs numbers in paper all we care about is gains we get in a race

Christ bro, they aren't a copy. Get a fucking clue.

[Sales@RKautowerks]

Originally Posted by tony.m6

Honestly you should be very shame, you copy George intake and now you talking BS that's very low men!!!



Nobody cares about your bs numbers in paper all we care about is gains we get in a race

Can you point out for everyone what was copied?

If you care about gains in a race, you'd step back and read the discussion we just had. It's very basic information.

-R

[allmotor_2000]

This thread has deteriorated.... let the OP post his product without all this BS.

Everybody compares products to what is available or popular - so what? Consumer can make their own decision and go with whatever they want.

If you want to win races I can tell u what to use....

[DCT OFF]

Originally Posted by Raza@RKautowerks

I asked you to explain how your product functions, validate it, explain to your consumers and future consumers. You keep avoiding the engineering questions. We're not talking about explaining love here, this is engineering 101, the stuff you learn the first day of class.

Your response with respect to vbox, quarter mile, and etc mean absolutely nothing. I just showed you with my data how much of a benefit a 2013 M5 has if you simply remove the charcoal filter. You have zero testing showing the charcoal filter vbox times, trap speeds, and etc on the same car.

As a design engineer you're responsible for validating a product and the fundamentals behind it. The "why" behind something working is more important than it working. It allows you to correct a design if it doesn't work, I call that knowledge growth. Everyone on here should ask WHY with governing physics behind a product when purchasing a performance product. The more we educate everyone, the better our community is. The consumer trusts you when you tell them something.

Why is it that your keep coming at me with remarks such as "you're doing anything and everything to sell your product." If i was a consumer and i asked you these questions, is that how you'd treat me? Everyone that has purchased product from me will tell you that when they ask me "why" something i developed works, i enjoy talking science with them. They walk away with more knowledge than when they met me. Even if they don't purchase anything, i know i did my part in the community.

I'm not going to ask you the same question again because it seems like you don't want to have a high level discussion.

-Raza (Rah Zah)<--- please don't butcher my name again George, thanks

Man I can't believe people on here.I saw the intake about 3 years ago when he raced me at the track,I had jb3 3.35lbs boost muffler delete BMS filters and rip scoops,all m6beast had was R&D MSR intake on his stock M5.we were running same times all night I couldn't believe it.Then I asked him if he would make one for me and he did.I'm the guy that saw gains first hand and his intake made my car faster at the track.Got me in the mid 11's compared to 12's.i love to race and want win no matter what company it is,I saw the gains at the track on my own car ,so take it from people who have his products not from someone who copying his design and trying trash talk about him and his hard work.

[Sales@RKautowerks]

I think a very small detail is being ignored. Nobody in this thread said the intakes don't make power.

How much power was the question at hand.

Thanks
-R

[MSIXCARBON]

Originally Posted by DCT OFF

Man I can't believe people on here.I saw the intake about 3 years ago when he raced me at the track,I had jb3 3.35lbs boost muffler delete BMS filters and rip scoops,all m6beast had was R&D MSR intake on his stock M5.we were running same times all night I couldn't believe it.Then I asked him if he would make one for me and he did.I'm the guy that saw gains first hand and his intake made my car faster at the track.Got me in the mid 11's compared to 12's.i love to race and want win no matter what company it is,I saw the gains at the track on my own car ,so take it from people who have his products not from someone who copying his design and trying trash talk about him and his hard work.

I don't think anyone is talking trash about anyone's product. If you noticed the thread was about the RK intakes. People came in defending MSR ( probably because people felt threatened about market share?).

Unless you ran at the track and swapped the intakes off on the next pass to see a difference, it doesn't mean squat. Too many variables.