Intake comparisons?

[TheHouseWon]

I just spoke to Raza, cool dude... Give him a chance! If I were a gambling man I would bet big money that he makes a huge contribution to the F90 M5 when it becomes available: dp's, intakes, etc.

[apexlocator]

I have the RK downpipes, not installed yet. I've studied that pic posted by dme and with the RK DP in hand, tried to match up that pic to the actual product, but the weld lines, relative to the O2 bungs just dont match up. Is there an uncropped/ zoomed out version of that pic? Also, the top pic should show a mounting bracket right next to that O2 bung. And the downstream O2 bungs shouldnt have weld lines near them because the RK DPs are full mandrel bent.

Here are pics of my RK DPs. I tried to angle them similar to the pic posted by DME.

So is there a zoomed out version of the pic by DME to see more of the downpipes they posted?

[apexlocator]

I dont want to copy and repost DME's pic, but if someone wants to so that all the pics can be on the same page for comparison....

IMO, the ill-fitting DP posted by DME are not RK DPs.

[Redrckt135]

Tommy, the shop foreman/owner at ACM, would have not chimed in or attached ACM to that ig post if that wasn't a real picture of shitty fitting RK downpipes that they tried to install. Nor would that picture have ever surfaced if RK didn't start running his mouth. You're wasting your time comparing pictures, he's obviously made the necessary changes to make them fit properly, at least I hope so for your sake.

[tec333]

Originally Posted by Redrckt135

Tommy, the shop foreman/owner at ACM, would have not chimed in or attached ACM to that ig post if that wasn't a real picture of shitty fitting RK downpipes that they tried to install. Nor would that picture have ever surfaced if RK didn't start running his mouth. You're wasting your time comparing pictures, he's obviously made the necessary changes to make them fit properly, at least I hope so for your sake.

I don't follow. Was there a post on the board or something that caused DMEtuning to post that on IG? Coz you say that pic would have not surfaced if RK didn't run his mouth?

The way I see it right now DMEtuning fired the first shot and really has to prove that is an RK DP. Otherwise, that's like he went to war claiming there's WMDs and found no WMD's.

I read thru the comments on IG and even saw someone comment he had RK DPs and didn't have any fitment issues.

Really sad seeing the bickering between vendors and shops.

[Redrckt135]

Originally Posted by tec333

I don't follow. Was there a post on the board or something that caused DMEtuning to post that on IG? Coz you say that pic would have not surfaced if RK didn't run his mouth?

The way I see it right now DMEtuning fired the first shot and really has to prove that is an RK DP. Otherwise he just went to war and found no WMD's

No, RK made a post somewhere on IG and DME responded to it. I don't know what he said exactly or where he posted because I don't have IG but I know Moe would not have opened up that can of worms for no reason. I don't want to speak too much on this and start the fire again, just standing up for my friends here.

[tec333]

Originally Posted by Redrckt135

No, RK made a post somewhere on IG and DME responded to it. I don't know what he said exactly or where he posted because I don't have IG but I know Moe would not have opened up that can of worms for no reason. I don't want to speak too much on this and start the fire again, just standing up for my friends here.

Ah I see. I guess I won't form an opinion or pass judgement then since I don't know the history and all the facts. Not that my opinion matters anyway LOL. It just matters to me and who I end up doing business with

I guess I'll just form my own opinion if and when I deal with either of them.

[tec333]

Now let me get the popcorn and let's get back to the intakes...since looks like the DP's are on another channel

[TheHouseWon]

Anyway, the RK intake elbow (silicone) is so thick I'm wondering if the opening is smaller then OEM (the area just behind the grills where there is a square flange feeding the intake tract). The silicone elbow folds in weird ways (seems to be generic 45 degree coupler).

The filter itself has to be forced onto the black cross beam behind the grills... It's a really tight fit. I will play with it more over the weekend but right now I'm not too thrilled with what I see

The CF pipes feeding the turbos are cool and all, but the front end of the product is... weird. I won't pass official judgement yet until I get someone with more experience to look at it.

[apexlocator]

Originally Posted by Redrckt135

No, RK made a post somewhere on IG and DME responded to it. I don't know what he said exactly or where he posted because I don't have IG but I know Moe would not have opened up that can of worms for no reason. I don't want to speak too much on this and start the fire again, just standing up for my friends here.

It seems you have a personal stake in this; you are sticking up for your friend regardless of what anyone else says.

I dont know DME or Raza from the next guy, but I buy Raza's products based on my own research. I might have even gone with DME for my tuning if I lived on the east coast, who knows where my research would lead me.

All I DO know is that the pic posted in that IG link of those DPs are NOT the same as the RK DPs I have in my hands. Its probably easier for me to compare since I have the actual product in hand to rotate/look over. Also the O2 bungs come out at different angles between DME pic and my pic.

While it is true that designs can change, why change them unless there is a problem? I've had these RK DPs since end of September when they first came out, but havent gotten around to install (frankly not in a real rush). I wont say they 100% fit unless I get them installed.

My main point is that the pics of the DPs dont match up; anyone can clearly see that.

[apexlocator]

Originally Posted by TheHouseWon

Anyway, the RK intake elbow (silicone) is so thick I'm wondering if the opening is smaller then OEM (the area just behind the grills where there is a square flange feeding the intake tract). The silicone elbow folds in weird ways (seems to be generic 45 degree coupler).

The filter itself has to be forced onto the black cross beam behind the grills... It's a really tight fit. I will play with it more over the weekend but right now I'm not too thrilled with what I see

The CF pipes feeding the turbos are cool and all, but the front end of the product is... weird. I won't pass official judgement yet until I get someone with more experience to look at it.

It is definitely a tight fit. Make sure you take out the OEM plastic housing where the CF tube meets the silicone coupler. On my car there was a small torx screw holding the plastic housing in place. The torx screw was nestled under the hood latch mechanism; hard to get to; I McGyvered a way to get it out. My K&N filter, when all tightened down, even touches the front kidney grills.

[13M5F10]

Originally Posted by TheHouseWon

Anyway, the RK intake elbow (silicone) is so thick I'm wondering if the opening is smaller then OEM (the area just behind the grills where there is a square flange feeding the intake tract). The silicone elbow folds in weird ways (seems to be generic 45 degree coupler).

The filter itself has to be forced onto the black cross beam behind the grills... It's a really tight fit. I will play with it more over the weekend but right now I'm not too thrilled with what I see

The CF pipes feeding the turbos are cool and all, but the front end of the product is... weird. I won't pass official judgement yet until I get someone with more experience to look at it.

Hope it works out for you ... the CF is nice but I also wasn't a fan of the front end myself when I saw it in Dallas. There's a reason why others designed as they did. Fitment is key especially with how tight it is there behind the grill where it transitions into the bay.

Make sure you took out the duct that routes the air for the front to the air boxes. I am sure you did as you wouldn't be able to install that elbow.

[ur20v]

Should start another thread about the DP's DME have - the photos RK and plexlocator posted certainly don't match- RK's a single piece from the V band back - those in DME's photo have a short section like some others.

[apexlocator]

Even the photo posted by ur20v of RK DP dont match up to what I have....the pic posted by ur20v shows the downstream O2 bung position after the bend, whereas my DPs have the O2 bung BEFORE the bend. Perhaps it is a prototype?? Maybe DME has a prototype RK DP also??

My RK DP match exactly what is shown on RK's Facebook product picture, and I've had these since September when they were first released.

[Used2be]

Originally Posted by apexlocator

Even the photo posted by ur20v of RK DP dont match up to what I have....the pic posted by ur20v shows the downstream O2 bung position after the bend, whereas my DPs have the O2 bung BEFORE the bend. Perhaps it is a prototype?? Maybe DME has a prototype RK DP also??

My RK DP match exactly what is shown on RK's Facebook product picture, and I've had these since September when they were first released.

I'll add another DP comment in this intake thread. I emailed Raza in early November concerning his mandrel bent DPs pointing out that his picture of them showed the lower O2 bung not in the stock location. He told me that was a photo of a prototype and the DP for sale has them in the stock locations. He sent me a photo of an installed pair. They appear to be his since there are no welds to be seen and the lower O2 bung is in the proper, stock location. I think you'll be good to go when you do install them. Good luck and keep us posted. I want to buy a set of his DPs also.

[TheHouseWon]

Thank you for the comments, 13M5F10 and Apexlocator. I did remove the short plastic OEM piece after the OEM airbox as the silicone elbow wouldn't have fit. My comment about it being smaller than OEM was related to the difference in thickness between the plastic piece that turns 90 degrees into the area behind grills and the thickness of the elbow. Both pieces occupy the same space but one is thicker than the other, logically the thicker one has less surface area inside. Just my thoughts... I could be wrong.

I may try turning the elbow so it points slightly up freeing up a bit of room... We'll see.

Now I know why you guys and George vehemently defended MSR. I compared the front end of both products and was convinced George spent a lot more time designing the elbow/adapter/filter placement. Maybe there's a way to combine both pieces, the CF from RK and the elbow/adapter/filter from MSR...

[Mbdurham17]

Originally Posted by TheHouseWon

Thank you for the comments, 13M5F10 and Apexlocator. I did remove the short plastic OEM piece after the OEM airbox as the silicone elbow wouldn't have fit. My comment about it being smaller than OEM was related to the difference in thickness between the plastic piece that turns 90 degrees into the area behind grills and the thickness of the elbow. Both pieces occupy the same space but one is thicker than the other, logically the thicker one has less surface area inside. Just my thoughts... I could be wrong.

I may try turning the elbow so it points slightly up freeing up a bit of room... We'll see.

Now I know why you guys and George vehemently defended MSR. I compared the front end of both products and was convinced George spent a lot more time designing the elbow/adapter/filter placement. Maybe there's a way to combine both pieces, the CF from RK and the elbow/adapter/filter from MSR...

Wow that would be an expensive combination lol a 5k intake I believe I was correct in my assessment in the first intake wars thread the best one is the hybrid MSRK maybe George and Raza should workout a merger and start selling these :

[TheHouseWon]

Originally Posted by Mbdurham17

Wow that would be an expensive combination lol a 5k intake I believe I was correct in my assessment in the first intake wars thread the best one is the[b] hybrid MSRK [b] maybe George and Rafa should workout a merger and start selling these :

Hahaha MSRK sounds like a match made in heaven

[Sales@RKautowerks]

Originally Posted by LI-M5

THW ^^^^ this , i'm a lil wondering where this info came from ?

i Gotta say i'm pretty much fine w all said except the RK talk , i can't see how that can be said , stated , spoken , relayed or even typed ona damn computer....

could just be me but i absolutley don't believe a single thing that has come from rk's side atall !! i think he's a doggshit buissman and his product's suck serious cow ballz...

Note: this is just my personal opinion here and noone is allowed to get offended except maybe Rk themselves which then i'd actually get a kick out've thank's..

Neil

Just like i offered your friend Mo, i'll offer you the same. I'll pay for your installation and give you free parts if our downpipes dont fit. Luckily you're nearby so i'll even hand deliver them and personally install them for you. In the situation where you feel our products are "dog shit cowballs" as you put it, we can put money down instead to make things more interesting. I wouldn't mind making a few easy bucks.

Note: This is not my personal opinion and i offer this to anyone that says our product does not fit or produce the advertised power.

Originally Posted by TheHouseWon

Anyway, the RK intake elbow (silicone) is so thick I'm wondering if the opening is smaller then OEM (the area just behind the grills where there is a square flange feeding the intake tract). The silicone elbow folds in weird ways (seems to be generic 45 degree coupler).

The filter itself has to be forced onto the black cross beam behind the grills... It's a really tight fit. I will play with it more over the weekend but right now I'm not too thrilled with what I see

The CF pipes feeding the turbos are cool and all, but the front end of the product is... weird. I won't pass official judgement yet until I get someone with more experience to look at it.

The opening is slightly over 3.5", this is why we were able to more produce power than the competitors. It is a tight fit, as you said, angling the couplers up is important. Also take not that the filter is not symmetrical where it mounts, you will want the narrowest portion facing the cabin of the vehicle while the thicker section faces away. This is to pull the filter away from the front cross brace.

I don't have any contact information for you outside the number you called(since you purchased the product used), can you leave me an email address to forward you images of the installation? If you're still hung up, don't hesitate to give me a call.

Thanks
-R

Edit- Just read your comment on the surface area concern, the 3.5" is the largest area that will fit. When we evaluated MSR product we found out that the inlets were less than 3.5", i can't recall if it was 3.25 or 3". But they were definitely not 3.5", this is in our opinion where the major difference flow came from.

[TheHouseWon]

Originally Posted by Raza@RKautowerks

Just like i offered your friend Mo, i'll offer you the same. I'll pay for your installation and give you free parts if our downpipes dont fit. Luckily you're nearby so i'll even hand deliver them and personally install them for you. In the situation where you feel our products are "dog shit cowballs" as you put it, we can put money down instead to make things more interesting. I wouldn't mind making a few easy bucks.

Note: This is not my personal opinion and i offer this to anyone that says our product does not fit or produce the advertised power.



The opening is slightly over 3.5", this is why we were able to more produce power than the competitors. It is a tight fit, as you said, angling the couplers up is important. Also take not that the filter is not symmetrical where it mounts, you will want the narrowest portion facing the cabin of the vehicle while the thicker section faces away. This is to pull the filter away from the front cross brace.

I don't have any contact information for you outside the number you called(since you purchased the product used), can you leave me an email address to forward you images of the installation? If you're still hung up, don't hesitate to give me a call.

Thanks
-R

Edit- Just read your comment on the surface area concern, the 3.5" is the largest area that will fit. When we evaluated MSR product we found out that the inlets were less than 3.5", i can't recall if it was 3.25 or 3". But they were definitely not 3.5", this is in our opinion where the major difference flow came from.

Thanks, that's very helpful. Please send to thehausalways@gmail.com

The torx screw above the intake under the hood latch was a Bi..., btw! I pushed the spring down (both of them) and went through the top very carefully removing the torx.

[Sales@RKautowerks]

Originally Posted by TheHouseWon

Thanks, that's very helpful. Please send to thehausalways@gmail.com

The torx screw above the intake under the hood latch was a Bi..., btw! I pushed the spring down (both of them) and went through the top very carefully removing the torx.

I've found pushing the spring out of the way makes it very quick and easy. If you don't remove the screw, it becomes a challenge haha.

[LI-M5]

Originally Posted by Raza@RKautowerks

Just like i offered your friend Mo, i'll offer you the same.

I'll pay for your installation and give you free parts if our downpipes dont fit. Luckily you're nearby so i'll even hand deliver them and personally install them for you.

we can put money down instead to make things more interesting. I wouldn't mind making a few easy bucks.





Thanks
-R

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So as stated a few x's and now once again , i don't want your product's not for free , not for a bet , not a chance thank's...

As for Moe being a Friend as you state , He's Not ! i actually never even met the guy , i know him Simply from doing homework and reading info on the forum's and other internet content.. What i do know of him is

He put's down real #'s and back them all up w data to prove it ,

He does'nt come up on the forum's w what "appear's" (my personal opinion) to be copied product's and then bad mouth other vendor's

he does'nt Need to in every thread that he's ment'd have to argue that his shit work's and does what it's supposed to

he does'nt have to alway's say I'll give ya this for free , install for free , let's race , or even go as far as let's make a cash bet to as you say
"make a few easy buck's" what's the matter a lil hard up these day's

Matter of fact he hardly even come's up on the forums , i can't even remember a thread that i've came across from him selling his product..

Everything you posted in this comment above that i quoted basically just reiterate's everything that i said about you from a spectator's point of view from the outside of the window looking in at you and your business tactics..what i do know is that i'm a business man myself and i sure as hell would'nt be on my 7-8-9th Mcar if i Ran my company's the way you do..

As @thehousewon stated before i don't have a horse in this race Pal , we are a community a family of sort's Related by the passion for the M brand and our car's Im simply looking out for my fellow family member's as good people do..

As per you comment about being close , i'm not sure where your located but as i sit here in the AC and look at the Palm tree's bowing in the wind of an 84d day I'm pretty sure your waaaay off guy !

you can have the hottest girl in the world standing right in front of you a 10-11 smoking fuq'n hawt , if her attd' suxx it just drove her dwn to a 4-5 not even worth a damn....
imho you could have the best hi end shit for our car's out there but as stated numorous x's your business ethic , your delivery , your handling of situation's etxxx turn your maybe sub par product's at best, into dawg shit my friend..

Asshole's / opinion's we all have em , here is mine and only mine

Neil