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      04-03-2013, 11:12 AM   #23
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Do you wait for engine to reach full operating temp before revving above 3k?
Yup, never rev over 2000 RPM till the engine is fully warm. Is it possible that its because I drive with everything in the middle setting (sport) at all times
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guys... you cannot treat your car like you treat a women..

I am sorry but i cannot wait my engine to fully warm before i rev above XYZrpm.. it is like waiting your women to get over their period..

This is a car not a plane that requires a checklist before every action.

Conclusion.! This car "consumes" way too much oil between regular services.!! What is the solution?
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Yup, never rev over 2000 RPM till the engine is fully warm. Is it possible that its because I drive with everything in the middle setting (sport) at all times
So do I. I also use Sport+ a lot.
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guys... you cannot treat your car like you treat a women..

I am sorry but i cannot wait my engine to fully warm before i rev above XYZrpm.. it is like waiting your women to get over their period..

This is a car not a plane that requires a checklist before every action.

Conclusion.! This car "consumes" way too much oil between regular services.!! What is the solution?
I don't know. But my rate of usage is 1 quart per 16,000 miles. Don't know why it is low but it has been like that on two 4.4l twin turbo V8s from BMW now.

I have been using factory oil too.

I thought it might be benefit of living in a warm climate, but JMH lives in New Hampshire and also has equally low usage.
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I don't know. But my rate of usage is 1 quart per 16,000 miles. Don't know why it is low but it has been like that on two 4.4l twin turbo V8s from BMW now.
Interesting, yours is even lower than my previous e93 m3... right now with m5 my oil consumption is 1 qt every 1500miles..
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Do you wait for engine to reach full operating temp before revving above 3k?
Absolutely - this is critical. NEVER push the engine hard until the oil has warmed up to operating temperature. You're undoing all the work you've done breaking the car in if you do this.

As far as other people having 'drive it like you stole it from day one', and other websites that advocate running the engine hard to break it in, they are simply wrong. If you talk to anyone who really understands engines, especially the ones who design high volume production engines designed to last hundreds of thousands of miles, they will all agree with my posted break-in rules.

Oil analysis from break-in periods shows a very high amount of metallic particles in the oil. That's because the whole process of breaking in the engine involves wearing the mating surfaces as evenly as possible and avoiding any deep scoring of either surface. If you run the car hard before the oil has warmed up, you risk damaging these surfaces, compromising the fit between piston and cylinder, and burning oil.
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I wonder if changing the oil type will help. I'm assuming my car is running 5W-30. Hope I continue to have no oil burning with 0W-30.

BTW I suspect some of us are running 10W-60 since many dealers use the wrong oil at the 1200 mile service.
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I am at 5,xxx miles and added 3 times (630, 1700, 2700) plus the 1,200 mile service.

I took her into the dealer at 3,500 miles as I was about to have to add another quart. FYI, I have a great relationship with my Service Advisor.

Turns out I had a faulty seal in the oil filer cap, which resulted in a slight leak and improper venting! WTF!

They refilled the oil and at my current mileage when I checked yesterday I am at 60% full; so it's getting better, but still burning. I did noticed a drop after an evening at the drag strip.
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I am at 5,xxx miles and added 3 times (630, 1700, 2700) plus the 1,200 mile service.

I took her into the dealer at 3,500 miles as I was about to have to add another quart. FYI, I have a great relationship with my Service Advisor.

Turns out I had a faulty seal in the oil filer cap, which resulted in a slight leak and improper venting! WTF!

They refilled the oil and at my current mileage when I checked yesterday I am at 60% full; so it's getting better, but still burning. I did noticed a drop after an evening at the drag strip.
This is interesting. I've never used launch control. I wonder if that causes oil usage?
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I'm hoping its just a seal as my car is one of the ones with the oil pump recall. But I don't see any leaking or see any smoke from the engine bay (from oil dropping onto the engine).
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As far as other people having 'drive it like you stole it from day one', and other websites that advocate running the engine hard to break it in, they are simply wrong. If you talk to anyone who really understands engines, especially the ones who design high volume production engines designed to last hundreds of thousands of miles, they will all agree with my posted break-in rules.
Or they recognise that modern manufacturing techniques and oil technology mean that surfaces no longer need to be bedded in, and therefore find bedding the rings in a more important process. One that a soft break in fails to address???



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Oil analysis from break-in periods shows a very high amount of metallic particles in the oil. That's because the whole process of breaking in the engine involves wearing the mating surfaces as evenly as possible and avoiding any deep scoring of either surface. If you run the car hard before the oil has warmed up, you risk damaging these surfaces, compromising the fit between piston and cylinder, and burning oil.
Yes, 99% of the particles found in the first oil change is swarf from the machining process, or sand from castings.


As long as you're happy with the way you've run it in all's good, ETTO.
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This is interesting. I've never used launch control. I wonder if that causes oil usage?
I have never used launch control either. Did about 14 runs.....
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I wonder if changing the oil type will help. I'm assuming my car is running 5W-30. Hope I continue to have no oil burning with 0W-30.

BTW I suspect some of us are running 10W-60 since many dealers use the wrong oil at the 1200 mile service.
Just had mine serviced be it 941 miles but was for the 1200 mile RUN IN SERVICE.

Dealer installed: 07 51 0 017 954 :Motor oil SAE 5W-30 Lon Qty: 10
11 42 7 848 321 :Set oil-filter element Qty: 1
83 22 1 467 993 ifferential OIL Qty: 5

Performed Run in service and changed oil and diff fluid.
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I am at 5,xxx miles and added 3 times (630, 1700, 2700) plus the 1,200 mile service.

I took her into the dealer at 3,500 miles as I was about to have to add another quart. FYI, I have a great relationship with my Service Advisor.

Turns out I had a faulty seal in the oil filer cap, which resulted in a slight leak and improper venting! WTF!

They refilled the oil and at my current mileage when I checked yesterday I am at 60% full; so it's getting better, but still burning. I did noticed a drop after an evening at the drag strip.

Did the filler cap fix the problem?
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I have never used launch control either. Did about 14 runs.....
Ive also never used launch control but have floored the car twice since the break in.
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Did the filler cap fix the problem?
Somewhat, it still seems to using oil - 1,500 miles since the repair and 40% used.
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Absolutely - this is critical. NEVER push the engine hard until the oil has warmed up to operating temperature. You're undoing all the work you've done breaking the car in if you do this.

As far as other people having 'drive it like you stole it from day one', and other websites that advocate running the engine hard to break it in, they are simply wrong. If you talk to anyone who really understands engines, especially the ones who design high volume production engines designed to last hundreds of thousands of miles, they will all agree with my posted break-in rules.

Oil analysis from break-in periods shows a very high amount of metallic particles in the oil. That's because the whole process of breaking in the engine involves wearing the mating surfaces as evenly as possible and avoiding any deep scoring of either surface. If you run the car hard before the oil has warmed up, you risk damaging these surfaces, compromising the fit between piston and cylinder, and burning oil.
Even those of us who advocate a more 'vigourous' breaking in process would NEVER suggest doing so until all fluids are at normal operating temperatures.
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I broke my car in exactly as I was supposed to but it still burns a ton of oil. I just don't wanna go to service with this and have them take apart my whole car looking for an answer (we all know they never put it back toghether as well as it was), but it seems I have no choice.
The S63Tu has a complex engine breather circuit with valves to open/close the vents depending on engine parameters. Perhaps it could be as simple as this system not functioning as it should.

I would get it looked at ASAP. If you can't spot an obvious leak, then that oil is being burnt by the engine, which has a number of bad side effects, including potential CAT destruction.
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There are many who would contradict this break in method.
Your ideas for "Braking in " gordon would be?.
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I don't know. But my rate of usage is 1 quart per 16,000 miles. Don't know why it is low but it has been like that on two 4.4l twin turbo V8s from BMW now.

I have been using factory oil too.

I thought it might be benefit of living in a warm climate, but JMH lives in New Hampshire and also has equally low usage.
Yup no noticeable oil consumption after 5000mls
Maybe it's because we went over the Grossglockner and other alp passes
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Yup no noticeable oil consumption after 5000mls
Maybe it's because we went over the Grossglockner and other alp passes
Yes that's what it is.

Guys - unless you did your break-in over the Austrian and Swiss Alpine passes, you are going to have serious oil consumption.

Key Takeaway - always do ED and always do Alpine break-in.
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Never mind LOL I was just picking up some oil (for the same reason) for my E92 M3 and the SA told me "All ///M's take Castrol 10W-60 oil!!!". That shows how some SA's don't know it all!
Why do some people take the time to post on a board for another car when they not only don't have the car but don't even have accurate information? I don't own an M5 but I am not going around posting information without first hand info going by what some SA said.

Totally unhelpful and possibly hurtful to offer crap advice that can damage the engine
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