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      08-07-2014, 01:16 PM   #45
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Then they are physically adding another access path to the memory that they can exploit later . Still wayyyyy more invasive than I'm interested in .
So basically where one might sneak a fiber probe camera under a locked door to have a look around [flash tuning], this is akin to a battering ram through a wall and making your own door
Hey M5/6 watch out ! I'm tuning you're ass with extreme prejudice !
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Sometimes I wonder why we even bother posting about stuff like this with all the negativity and "insight" that ridicules their method, even though the process isn't known...

This is a really negative crowd sometimes... The tune has to be free, be installed while waiting in line at the drive thru and organize the music on your iPad to be any good it seems
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If my car gets here before I go out of town I will gladly ship the ecu's away for two weeks. Just want delimiter. I prefer reliable power and don't need a 1000 hp m5. I am sitting at 700 and am comfortable with that. I am keeping this car for 7-8 years so I want to make sure I don't over do it. I also think that we won't see much gain other the 1/2 mile times because of traction.
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Sometimes I wonder why we even bother posting about stuff like this with all the negativity and "insight" that ridicules their method, even though the process isn't known...

This is a really negative crowd sometimes... The tune has to be free, be installed while waiting in line at the drive thru and organize the music on your iPad to be any good it seems
True and I would trust renntech completely if thats How they do Benz's... Wonder why they didn't swoop in and take over the market of BMWs too
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Sometimes I wonder why we even bother posting about stuff like this with all the negativity and "insight" that ridicules their method, even though the process isn't known...

This is a really negative crowd sometimes... The tune has to be free, be installed while waiting in line at the drive thru and organize the music on your iPad to be any good it seems
Seriously , taking the ECU apart and physically modifying it is a big deal any way you slice it . That's worlds away from an OBD II tune . That takes nothing away from what they seem have accomplished as they seem to be the first that can actually manipulate code on the F series ECU's . It's just not appealing for most to ship our ECU to another country for weeks .
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Seriously , taking the ECU apart and physically modifying it is a big deal any way you slice it . That's worlds away from an OBD II tune . That takes nothing away from what they seem have accomplished as they seem to be the first that can actually manipulate code on the F series ECU's . It's just not appealing for most to ship our ECU to another country for weeks .
Yeah I'd never ship it anywhere even if it was non invasive, not for any amount of safe horsepower for any price...
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Sometimes I wonder why we even bother posting about stuff like this with all the negativity and "insight" that ridicules their method, even though the process isn't known...

This is a really negative crowd sometimes... The tune has to be free, be installed while waiting in line at the drive thru and organize the music on your iPad to be any good it seems
Seriously , taking the ECU apart and physically modifying it is a big deal any way you slice it . That's worlds away from an OBD II tune . That takes nothing away from what they seem have accomplished as they seem to be the first that can actually manipulate code on the F series ECU's . It's just not appealing for most to ship our ECU to another country for weeks .
How do you know they take it apart and physically add/remove parts inside the DME? That is a possibility of course, but we haven't had any confirmation that this is what they actually do...

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Seriously , taking the ECU apart and physically modifying it is a big deal any way you slice it . That's worlds away from an OBD II tune . That takes nothing away from what they seem have accomplished as they seem to be the first that can actually manipulate code on the F series ECU's . It's just not appealing for most to ship our ECU to another country for weeks .
Yeah I'd never ship it anywhere even if it was non invasive, not for any amount of safe horsepower for any price...
We ship parts all over the world every day, with tracking. Much more expensive parts than a DME... Worst case is having to buy a new DME (which IS expensive, around USD 1800-2000). But that's why we have insurance on freight... People ship their pets, let their kids fly alone so I wouldn't be to bothered about shipping the DME (but I do see that this is a concern to many)

One issue is of course not having a working car for a few weeks. That means that this isn't an option to those that depend on the car every day. But in general I don't see why it's a big issue shipping the DME?

That's how I suppose BMW sends a new DME to a dealership if someone needs a new DME anyway...?

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Maybe a bit off topic here, but I still can't undersatnd why BMW won't allow you access to the DME. If it were my decision, I would allow any owner a key to open their specific DME in exchange for a full release of the warranty for any damage to the drivetrain that could have been caused, directly or indirectly, from any modification to the DME. Now you have a bunch of very happy owbers who are willing to risk the warranty coverage for a tune and you have some very fast M cars out there with a better chance of smiking the competiton. All good for BMW and M. And finally, you will get to sell some new engines every once in a while to the bozo who blew his up with a bad tune. I am not seeing the downside?
Many people are leasing their car and BMW is still the owner of that car. Now you lease the car and have access to DME to put some stress on engine/drivetrain and of course there is no warranty for you. After 3 years you return the car to BMW. BMW Certifies the car and sell it to other guy. The guy buys the car and drive it and one day he wakes up, gets in the car and mash the gas and boom. Part failure due to improper previous tuning while car is under powertrain warranty. Who is gonna pay for that? BMW and please don't say they check everything before they certify it! I have seen a lot brand new cars had part failure in less than 1000 miles!
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Many people are leasing their car and BMW is still the owner of that car. Now you lease the car and have access to DME to put some stress on engine/drivetrain and of course there is no warranty for you. After 3 years you return the car to BMW. BMW Certifies the car and sell it to other guy. The guy buys the car and drive it and one day he wakes up, gets in the car and mash the gas and boom. Part failure due to improper previous tuning while car is under powertrain warranty. Who is gonna pay for that? BMW and please don't say they check everything before they certify it! I have seen a lot brand new cars had part failure in less than 1000 miles!
Good point and something you definitely need to consider before tuning a leased car... At least you should revert to std before returning it!
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Seriously , taking the ECU apart and physically modifying it is a big deal any way you slice it . That's worlds away from an OBD II tune . That takes nothing away from what they seem have accomplished as they seem to be the first that can actually manipulate code on the F series ECU's . It's just not appealing for most to ship our ECU to another country for weeks .
Yeah I'd never ship it anywhere even if it was non invasive, not for any amount of safe horsepower for any price...
We ship parts all over the world every day, with tracking. Much more expensive parts than a DME... Worst case is having to buy a new DME (which IS expensive, around USD 1800-2000). But that's why we have insurance on freight... People ship their pets, let their kids fly alone so I wouldn't be to bothered about shipping the DME (but I do see that this is a concern to many)

One issue is of course not having a working car for a few weeks. That means that this isn't an option to those that depend on the car every day. But in general I don't see why it's a big issue shipping the DME?

That's how I suppose BMW sends a new DME to a dealership if someone needs a new DME anyway...?
The M5/6 have two DME's FYI . So you're looking at 5k for lost /damaged DME's . If you don't break the encryption software the only way to tune the ECU is to directly flash to the memory period . Thus requires taking the ECU out of the car and directly accessing the memory . If they had the encryption beat via software they wouldn't need to remove the ECU from the car .
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The M5/6 have two DME's FYI . So you're looking at 5k for lost /damaged DME's
And it's not just that. All information and history of your car is written in DME. If you replace your DME with a brand new one (in term of damaged or lost), the next time you go to any dealer and they scan your Key, they will find out that DME is replaced by anyone other than BMW dealer due to lack of history. Your warranty is voide! simple
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contacting them now

so they have
Stage 1 - 630hp/780NM torque
Stage 2 - CEL removal, Vmax removal, working on power increase for this stage

they also offer warranty for cars under 5 years old/50k miles

it takes them 1-3 days to do an upgrade
Costing on Stage I ?.
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Many people are leasing their car and BMW is still the owner of that car. Now you lease the car and have access to DME to put some stress on engine/drivetrain and of course there is no warranty for you. After 3 years you return the car to BMW. BMW Certifies the car and sell it to other guy. The guy buys the car and drive it and one day he wakes up, gets in the car and mash the gas and boom. Part failure due to improper previous tuning while car is under powertrain warranty. Who is gonna pay for that? BMW and please don't say they check everything before they certify it! I have seen a lot brand new cars had part failure in less than 1000 miles!

Not an issue if they require a release before they give you to key to unlock your DME. They obviously would not allow it without the OWNER'S release so it would be a no can do for someone who is leasing.
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Beginning of September my car gets done there.
Are u sending yr car there or the DME? Love to see the result!
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Are u sending yr car there or the DME? Love to see the result!
I am bringing the car there. They want to do a custom tune based on my hardware and TCU software.
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I am bringing the car there. They want to do a custom tune based on my hardware and TCU software.
When u r there, can u check with them what happen if we don't have the hardware now(turbo) so how will they base on for tuning?

Will they also solve the problem of the fuel pump issues or do u think we can replace the injector n use the existing pump.

For oversea customers, what options do we have? Anyone any idea on that?
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