Enjoying my M5 CP but

[SteveC]

This will almost certainly be my next M-drive

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=771zMCChtGM&feature=player_embedded[/URL]

Just perfect for Yorkshire back roads

Wonder how long it took to get that 1:28 oversteer transition perfect

[gblansten]

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by SteveC

This will almost certainly be my next M-drive

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=771zMCChtGM&feature=player_embedded[/URL]

Just perfect for Yorkshire back roads

Wonder how long it took to get that 1:28 oversteer transition perfect

Oh yes... with what I know about you and that much love you have/had to your 135, you need M2

[bimmer-boy]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

Oh yes... with what I know about you and that much love you have/had to your 135, you need M2

Lol

[MCarsFan]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

Oh yes... with what I know about you and that much love you have/had to your 135, you need M2

Ha ha, yes.. Don't forget to leave the car in MDM mode and in M1...

[PawnStar]

Originally Posted by SteveC

This will almost certainly be my next M-drive

From M5 to M2? Splain yourself, sir!

[lsturbointeg]

[SteveC]

Originally Posted by PawnStar

From M5 to M2? Splain yourself, sir!

As M6-Coupe says, I came to the M5 from an M135i which frankly is the most fun-for-$ car that BMW builds (that's probably now the M235i)

It terms of outright performance and handling for its weight and size, the M5 is an unbeatable package.....but its the phrase 'for its weight and size' that is the drawback on Yorkshire country roads.

If I look back over the years, the most fun I've had was with an E30 Evo M3 and a 944T.....both cars owned when I lived in the Black Forest and could drive roads like the B500 (see video below for a taste)

There's no doubt that an M5 would be great fun on roads like these, however there's also no doubt that a sub 1500kg car with the same performance and handling dynamics will be a lot more pure fun.....Clearly the M2 is a massive compromise for highway cruising but I don't drive a lot of highway miles and spend most of my miles driving back roads, where I miss the greater agility of a lighter weight car

https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=ueFNVhgoljg

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by SteveC

As M6-Coupe says, I came to the M5 from an M135i which frankly is the most fun-for-$ car that BMW builds (that's probably now the M235i)

It terms of outright performance and handling for its weight and size, the M5 is an unbeatable package.....but its the phrase 'for its weight and size' that is the drawback on Yorkshire country roads.

If I look back over the years, the most fun I've had was with an E30 Evo M3 and a 944T.....both cars owned when I lived in the Black Forest and could drive roads like the B500 (see video below for a taste)

There's no doubt that an M5 would be great fun on roads like these, however there's also no doubt that a sub 1500kg car with the same performance and handling dynamics will be a lot more pure fun.....Clearly the M2 is a massive compromise for highway cruising but I don't drive a lot of highway miles and spend most of my miles driving back roads, where I miss the greater agility of a lighter weight car

https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=ueFNVhgoljg

Well I didn't get what you were referring to by "the same performance" ?
Are you comparing M5 to M2? Or comparing M2 to M135 (or M235)?
I agree M2 is almost M235 with maybe 5-10% more performance, but if you are comparing M5 to M2 I have to say noway... not even close.... no where (street, straight line, race track or even what you called back road)... For your information M5 is about 3 second faster than M2 in ring and 0.5 second faster in case of 0-60 mph and I bet something between 0.7 - 1 second and over 5mph trap faster in 1/4 mile... BUT as I told you several times in your original thread complaining about M5, M5 is not your car... M2 is what you need

[SteveC]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

Well I didn't get what you were referring to by "the same performance" ?
Are you comparing M5 to M2? Or comparing M2 to M135 (or M235)?
I agree M2 is almost M235 with maybe 5-10% more performance, but if you are comparing M5 to M2 I have to say noway... not even close.... no where (street, straight line, race track or even what you called back road)... For your information M5 is about 3 second faster than M2 in ring and 0.5 second faster in case of 0-60 mph and I bet something between 0.7 - 1 second and over 5mph trap faster in 1/4 mile... BUT as I told you several times in your original thread complaining about M5, M5 is not your car... M2 is what you need

Hi M6-Coupe,

What I actually said was "the same performance and handling dynamics". By that I meant extremely fast, good suspension, great body control, M steering, M differential, huge torque at virtually all revs, fast shifting.

There's no doubt that an M5, with its 575hp is ultimately going to accelerate harder than an M2 but there's a lot of girth and weight to contend with and on narrow, winding roads there's no way for an M5 to use all its performance potential. What you need is less weight and size and greater agility....

To give you an extreme example of what I mean.....take 2 motorcycles....a 1299 Ducati Panigale S and a 1200 MultiStrade

In every situation you mentioned, the PanigaleS will be faster, but on the roads I drive, the Panigale's performance, riding position and aerodynamics are going to be more hinderance than benefit. What you want is the ability to move around on the bike, shifting your weight from inside to outside, breaking hard for the multitude of bends without a lot of weight on your wrists, change lines in a heartbeat, picking the bike up and laying it over again mid-corner to skip a manhole cover or puddle. While the Panigale's pilot will be struggling to contain all his bike's power and deal with its lack of agility and unforgiving riding position, the MultiStrade pilot will be having a ball...the bike doing exactly what it was built for....hooning along bumpy, narrow, winding, twisty lanes.

The M5 is without doubt a very capable and hugely dynamic package....but BMW builds cars that are a lot more fun to drive on winding country lanes and they are the roads I mainly drive.....which is why I believe the M2 will be the more suitable car....for me. If ultimate performance is your goal, buy an M5 but if maximum fun is what you're after you should also consider some other models, depending on the type of roads you mainly drive