M5 / M6 Oil Pump Recall FAQ and Affected VIN List

[Aboody99]

Mine was produced in April but its the 2nd time now i get a warning saying to fill up 1 liter of oil. Went to the dealer and they topped it up. Was told it's no issue. Il contact them tomorrow and see whats going on

[Stephan735i]

Answer to Echoz in the closed tread;

"In Canada and the US 2013 is the first year model."

This is not correct, first model year in Canada is 2012, check out for example WBSFV9C51CC772400, late June started the 2013 production for North America.

On the issue of problem the built days of the M5 cars are between;

C772864 2012-07-19 and C774079 2012-09-18 a lot of cars aren't listed like those between C773956-C774078 what's the issue there?

Stephan

[SleepTight]

Originally Posted by Aboody99

Mine was produced in April but its the 2nd time now i get a warning saying to fill up 1 liter of oil. Went to the dealer and they topped it up. Was told it's no issue. Il contact them tomorrow and see whats going on

That's got nothing to do with the oil pump. It's not uncommon for the S63B44Tü to go through lots of oil during the initial break-in period. Everybody who owns a high-performance car should check the oil at every fill up, regardless of whether or not the car is new.

[mapezzul]

Originally Posted by Aboody99

Mine was produced in April but its the 2nd time now i get a warning saying to fill up 1 liter of oil. Went to the dealer and they topped it up. Was told it's no issue. Il contact them tomorrow and see whats going on

Its an M car- a high performance machine and they tend to go through oil quicker its not a big deal or out of the ordinary. My E90 M3 can go through a quart a month if not more depending on how hard I drive it. Italian cars go through even more!

This M5 issue has nothing to do with oil use- it is a faulty pump that basically quits and the engine gets no lube so it dies.

Your situation is different and the dealer will tell you there is no issue (because there really isn't one) but to ease your concerns take it in...

[mapezzul]

Originally Posted by Stephan735i

Answer to Echoz in the closed tread;

"In Canada and the US 2013 is the first year model."

This is not correct, first model year in Canada is 2012, check out for example WBSFV9C51CC772400, late June started the 2013 production for North America.

On the issue of problem the built days of the M5 cars are between;

C772864 2012-07-19 and C774079 2012-09-18 a lot of cars aren't listed like those between C773956-C774078 what's the issue there?

Stephan

Cars in NA are 2013 models unless they were marketing or test cars used by BMWNA, model years in NA are different than elsewhere. There are specific changes for the NA cars that did not occur until the model year switch.

[BarryB]

Originally Posted by ucla95

+1 But maybe the reason was to protect BarryB's privacy. In any event I fully expect BMW to come through on this and the adjustable backrest side bolsters.

Hmm no secrets and not private. Remember they told me 9 days ago it was a computer problem? You all know what I know or more.

[Aboody99]

Originally Posted by mapezzul

Its an M car- a high performance machine and they tend to go through oil quicker its not a big deal or out of the ordinary. My E90 M3 can go through a quart a month if not more depending on how hard I drive it. Italian cars go through even more!

This M5 issue has nothing to do with oil use- it is a faulty pump that basically quits and the engine gets no lube so it dies.

Your situation is different and the dealer will tell you there is no issue (because there really isn't one) but to ease your concerns take it in...

Yeah i know that, With whats going on its better to be safe than sorry right
Thanks anyways buddy

[King_Hendrik_CDN]

Originally Posted by red-sauerkraut

Makes you feel like a King doesn't it...

Hahaha. Maybe. ;p

[BodyPlexM5]

I've got to believe there is something more than a simple oil pump fix. My dealer told me they are not even allowed to sell any more M5's? If this was just a bad batch of oil pumps this would not be the case??? Am I wrong??

[3toM]

Originally Posted by BodyPlexM5

I've got to believe there is something more than a simple oil pump fix. My dealer told me they are not even allowed to sell any more M5's? If this was just a bad batch of oil pumps this would not be the case??? Am I wrong??

Not necessarily. If they have an M5 on the floor, it may be an affected car (the one at my dealer is on the list). And my understanding from prior posts is that when new oil pumps become available they are going to be used to fix currently affected cars, then cars awaiting sale at dealerships, then can be used to restart production. So if that is true, production of new cars will be down for weeks-months possibly. In that situation, dealers may not be able to sell cars, since they may not be able to get an order into production.

[cmhsam]

Problems happen. It's just how they are handled. I am happy the way this is being handled. Not everything is going to be perfect for everyone. I am thankful for a great CA, service manager, and dealership. They have made this a more bearable issue for me.

[ORIGIN M.]

Will never hold up in court sir. They have to have your signature, otherwise they'd have nothing.

Originally Posted by mapezzul

No it does not but if you choose to not listen you place the liability on yourself.

BMW could always say in court that they told you, you understood and chose to act on your own, they are then off the hook because you did not follow the recommended course of action. That is the reason they are using phone calls, aside from the quicker action...

[Bimmer6]

Originally Posted by red-sauerkraut

Will never hold up in court sir. They have to have your signature, otherwise they'd have nothing.

Not true documentation will be entered, and will be considered as direct communication. All depends on the judge my friend to allow or not. I still say we need to see what happens next week to many people jumping the gun on a bad oil pump. I had a bad 745 in 2002, and the dealer said what do you want go chose another vehicle. Never had a problem with BMW keeping a deal. I will play it by ear .......change the pump Im happy! If BMW were being jerks than I say let's nail them, but to say don't drive the car we will change the pump what more can be expected? No one has been hurt or injured, and for all of us that did ED and drove all over Europe I will assume our cars are good and this is precautionary.

[dkreidel]

Originally Posted by DanyoM5

A few things to note....in the first 2 years of M production...M3 M5 etc. They hold resale historically better than their competitors. I don't want a 550 nor an E550. I am talking about apples to apples. 550s are Great to lease because BMW used to subsidize the residuals. Don't know a lot of people that buy them since a 70k 550 is only worth 45k 2 years later. As a M5 in the first years of production because of limited demand will hopefully be worth 70k after 2 years. So a much better car for about the same loss. Though I will agree once the new model comes out or a significant change happens to model, then the old model will drop off like rock. And yes, a car is an investment in fun, not one to make money. Unless of course you have a 1929 bugatti.

I've owned 3 M5's, one M6 and 2 M3's, and soon a F10 M5....and a whole slew of other BMW's. I'm obviously a fan, but resale value has not been one of the M cars virtues.

I've been through this teething problem with first year cars before; it stinks but just is. I've also been on the other side of these problems as a Tier 1 supplier of powertrain components to the automotive industry, including BMW AG and Porsche AG. I would not be so quick to throw a supplier under the bus until more information is forthcoming.

dk

[ORIGIN M.]

If you say so.

Originally Posted by Bimmer6

Not true documentation will be entered, and will be considered as direct communication. All depends on the judge my friend to allow or not.

[dr.skp.ortho]

Originally Posted by Stephan735i

Answer to Echoz in the closed tread;

"In Canada and the US 2013 is the first year model."

This is not correct, first model year in Canada is 2012, check out for example WBSFV9C51CC772400, late June started the 2013 production for North America.

On the issue of problem the built days of the M5 cars are between;

C772864 2012-07-19 and C774079 2012-09-18 a lot of cars aren't listed like those between C773956-C774078 what's the issue there?

Stephan

Does this mean that cars built in July prior to 7/19 aren't affected?

[sonorman]

I knew I should have stuck with Porsche!! This Sucks!!

[Hoosiers]

Originally Posted by mdernst

Based on BMW's explanation of the problem:

The issue involves the engine oil pump. The pump driveshaft can separate from the pump rotor. If this were to occur, the engine could experience a sudden loss of oil pressure which could cause severe engine damage.

I'm not worried about any damage unless the "Low Oil Pressure" warning comes on. My interpretation of that is either the pump driveshaft is properly connected to the rotor and normal oil pressures are maintained or it separates and loses all oil pressure immediately (catastrophic failure of the pump) - there's no "in between" where you have "low" oil pressure.

Mike

Exactly, this problem in itself isn't something that should reasonably hurt resale. If I'm buying this car used in a few years either A: The pump was recalled and replaced, or B: The pump failed which led to a catastrophic engine failure and the engine was replaced. This concerns me as I think it was BMW that joked AMG by saying something along the lines of "You can't put the same engine in every car and expect those cars to be special." Now BMW puts the same engine in all of it's new M's.

[sonorman]

I've owned 5 porches and not one problem. I've owed 4 BMW's. My first M5 was a defect with no explanation! They gave me a new replacement because they couldn't find the problem with electrics. Then I bought a X5 and the trans locked up on us. The other two were a 2011 m3 that was good and my 2007 M3 that I loved and wish I still had! My experience with BMW has not been good. It seems to be hit or miss with their cars! I think I will go back to porsche and stay!!

[sonorman]

I'm afraid the oil pump is only the beginning of many problems!!

[nv6425]

What kind of loaners are you guys expecting? Is this something BMW NA can dictate to the dealer? I bought a $100K car, I don't really want to drive a 328i for the next 2-4 weeks....is that reasonable?

[SpotM5]

yes, it was the performance package - I could tell by the red calipers. Beautiful car and a solid choice.