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      01-13-2015, 04:44 PM   #1
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ALPHA Tuning development - 645whp and over 600tq!!!

Not that long ago we put a post up here looking for a donor car to do some custom ECU tuning now that we finally had the ability to crack into the F10 ECU set. http://f10.m5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1067770

IND's customer "John" was nice enough to step up to the plate.

While we are not done just yet the power numbers as of today are pretty fantastic. The test car had the following done to it when it came into AMS/ALPHA Performance:

AMS/ALPHA 90mm Catted downpipes
Full Eisenmann Exhaust
GruppeM Airbox set

This car baselined about 550whp and just over 500tq. After our president and head tuner Martin Musial spent some time on it we picked up a staggering 95whp and over 100ft lbs of torque totaling 643whp and 606 tq...again TO THE WHEELS!

The blue line is Johns car as it came in to AMS with a stock tune. The red Line represents after our custom tune. It's important to note these are not glory runs. These were average pulls, some of the cold runs were even higher.

The Green line is of a stock M5 that came into our shop a while ago...simply for reference. Compare the green and red to see what this setup would do vs a stock car.

Now the tune isn't done as we have some polishing to do but the gains cannot be ignored.

I think the first ALPHA 7 M5 was just born


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Speed limiter cracked as well?
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Now the tune isn't done as we have some polishing to do but the gains cannot be dismissed.
Excellent news! I think many of us hope you will have the ability to eliminate the top speed limit of 155 MPH, are you able to do that? Are you also able to eliminate the CEL from the use of catless downpipes? I assume that would mean you are able to change the setting of the O2 sensors so that a fuel mixture for more HP may be used without a CEL? Will you be able to provide different levels of tune with just the ECU tune and no additional hardware? Thanks for keeping us informed.
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Can you explain the HP peaks and troughs between 2500-3750K RPM? Also max HP is about 5250K RPM and the difference is really impressive, why is the slope of HP loss after that so steep? Is that due to the stock turbos? Thanks.
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Excellent news! I think many of us hope you will have the ability to eliminate the top speed limit of 155 MPH, are you able to do that? Are you also able to eliminate the CEL from the use of catless downpipes? I assume that would mean you are able to change the setting of the O2 sensors so that a fuel mixture for more HP may be used without a CEL? Will you be able to provide different levels of tune with just the ECU tune and no additional hardware? Thanks for keeping us informed.
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Very impressive. Any added gains for those that have the competition package?
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Can you explain the HP peaks and troughs between 2500-3750K RPM? Also max HP is about 5250K RPM and the difference is really impressive, why is the slope of HP loss after that so steep? Is that due to the stock turbos? Thanks.
I believe maximum hp is around 6200rpm. 5200 is where maximum torque is, usually where stock and chipped mercedes 63's get max power.....
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Very impressive. Any added gains for those that have the competition package?
Once the ecus are broken into there is no reason a cp should make more than a
Non-cp, resonator or not.....
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With the aggressive cams of the s63tu and ~23psi holding to 7500rpm, we should see over 800-850hp , turbos/fuel may run out of steam well before....

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Interesting result however the behavior of engine at 2500-3500 (low end) as well as 6000-7000 (top end) is kinda weird!
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Excellent news! I think many of us hope you will have the ability to eliminate the top speed limit of 155 MPH, are you able to do that? Are you also able to eliminate the CEL from the use of catless downpipes? I assume that would mean you are able to change the setting of the O2 sensors so that a fuel mixture for more HP may be used without a CEL? Will you be able to provide different levels of tune with just the ECU tune and no additional hardware? Thanks for keeping us informed.
The speed limiter is removed. We can remove CEL's for O2 codes. We can created custom tunes for whatever hardware is on the car. We plan on making a tune for a stock car, as equipped here in this test (ALPHA 7) and for upgraded turbos which are waiting to go on.

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Can you explain the HP peaks and troughs between 2500-3750K RPM? Also max HP is about 5250K RPM and the difference is really impressive, why is the slope of HP loss after that so steep? Is that due to the stock turbos? Thanks.
As I touched on on the opening post we are still polishing the tune up. That oscillation you see is just boost control. We will smooth that out when we finish cleaning up the tune. This was more of a show and tell for the HP we are now making.

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Very impressive. Any added gains for those that have the competition package?
Absolutely, the competition package would gain a substantial amount from this tune. Even on a stock car this tune should pick up close to 100whp and 100tq.

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Interesting result however the behavior of engine at 2500-3500 (low end) as well as 6000-7000 (top end) is kinda weird!
As I stated above the 2500-3500 is just boost control and we will smooth that up. The trailing off effect after 6000...well that's the turbos starting to run out of gas. At this level we are just about maxing out what they can do. I would imagine with some race gas we can put a bit more timing at it and pick up another 20-30whp but the turbos are not going to make anymore big gains.

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The speed limiter is removed. We can remove CEL's for O2 codes. We can created custom tunes for whatever hardware is on the car. We plan on making a tune for a stock car, as equipped here in this test (ALPHA 7) and for upgraded turbos which are waiting to go on.



As I touched on on the opening post we are still polishing the tune up. That oscillation you see is just boost control. We will smooth that out when we finish cleaning up the tune. This was more of a show and tell for the HP we are now making.



Absolutely, the competition package would gain a substantial amount from this tune. Even on a stock car this tune should pick up close to 100whp and 100tq.

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Very interesting. I think this tune can be DINAN challenger.
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The speed limiter is removed. We can remove CEL's for O2 codes. We can created custom tunes for whatever hardware is on the car. We plan on making a tune for a stock car, as equipped here in this test (ALPHA 7) and for upgraded turbos which are waiting to go on.

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I am still under warranty, when I take the M5 to the dealer for service, is it possible for them to overwrite/remove your tune when they have the car connected to the BMW diagnostic machine?
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Amazing news. Will you be offering a tune and upgrades turbos for the M4/3???
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I am still under warranty, when I take the M5 to the dealer for service, is it possible for them to overwrite/remove your tune when they have the car connected to the BMW diagnostic machine?
Connecting it wont overwrite it but if they load in a new software etc its very possible they could overwrite our tune. If that was the case you would have to send the ECU back in so we can load it back on. We do this same day.

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Amazing news. Will you be offering a tune and upgrades turbos for the M4/3???
Very likely, IND is going to be bringing their shop M4 here once we greet light them. At the moment we are up to our ears in projects so I had to put that off for a few weeks.

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Not so amazing to me..
Yes the figures are good.
But Leib Engineering did manage to get the same numbers out of the M5 of M-Bitious with a better torque curve.
BR-Performance is reached also figures nearly the same like this.
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Connecting it wont overwrite it but if they load in a new software etc its very possible they could overwrite our tune. If that was the case you would have to send the ECU back in so we can load it back on. We do this same day.



Very likely, IND is going to be bringing their shop M4 here once we greet light them. At the moment we are up to our ears in projects so I had to put that off for a few weeks.

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Awesome news! Can you guys also crack into late model e-series?

2013 135i Msport here FBO with Pure stage 1 N55 turbo DCT. In needs of flash to help the DCT hold the higher tq!
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