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      05-27-2015, 05:06 PM   #23
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That's great info. Any hints dropped about the engine - 6 or 8 cylinder? Also, overall dimensions getting any smaller?
He said 8 Cyl with at least 600HP
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SSMT, thank you very much for sharing this info. There are some new pieces of information that you have shared here, even if unofficial and off the record. Most of it sounds credible and plausible though.

- [B] therefore we may accurately guess that the 2018 M5 will not be available for Americans and that Americans will have to wait until the summer of 2018 to get their shiny new 2019 M5's.

The biggest question is still what will the powerplant and drivetrain be for the next M5. I don't want another M5 that has a more muted engine with 10x more Active Sound Design worked into the cabin, even if it can do 0-60 in 3.2 seconds.
He clearly said USA production starting in July 2017, so I would assume arriving here in Fall 2017 as a 2018.

He said 8 Cyl with at least 600HP
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He said 8 Cyl with at least 600HP
Yeah we'll see.
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]watch from 1:00 on... what is that car in front of the M2 mule?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=59&v=9SYTpDHVh_U

[u2b]https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=59&v=9SYTpDHVh_U[/u2b]
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He said 8 Cyl with at least 600HP
Yeah we'll see.
I'll promise you it will be a technical update of the S63 Tu . The current Tu even is worlds better than the S55 .Come on man technical marvel my ass , the revs are for show , it has no top end . Hell even with upgraded turbos , meth and race gas an M4 is slower than my tuned m6 with DP's intake . The Tu is the best turbo motor BMW has ever made , what I'll throw a brick over is if they keep producing uninspired chassis dynamics and 20 year old suspension geometry in all its M cars . Weight savings will be minimal due to feature bloat based on the 7 series data which had much less savings than originally claimed or usual M6 ~4000 lbs , m5 ~4200 .
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]... what is that car in front of the M2 mule?...
Possibly... It's a larger faster sedan I see. But, hopefully that's not the exhaust (frame time 1:58) as it looks like a Merc exhaust.
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]watch from 1:00 on... what is that car in front of the M2 mule?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=59&v=9SYTpDHVh_U
[u2b]https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=59&v=9SYTpDHVh_U[/u2b]
Yeah I saw the video yesterday and was thinking the same thing. It's definitely 5 series...
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That's great info. Any hints dropped about the engine - 6 or 8 cylinder? Also, overall dimensions getting any smaller?
He said 8 Cyl with at least 600HP
Thanks, that'll be great. Hopefully, they'll continue to refine the motor and dct in the next iteration of m5!
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Cheapest way is just do a carryover. Auto Bild speculate it also could be a turbo six with electric motor. Oh well, whatever the case, I am sure it will be faster than the current one.
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I'll promise you it will be a technical update of the S63 Tu . The current Tu even is worlds better than the S55 .Come on man technical marvel my ass , the revs are for show , it has no top end . Hell even with upgraded turbos , meth and race gas an M4 is slower than my tuned m6 with DP's intake . The Tu is the best turbo motor BMW has ever made , what I'll throw a brick over is if they keep producing uninspired chassis dynamics and 20 year old suspension geometry in all its M cars . Weight savings will be minimal due to feature bloat based on the 7 series data which had much less savings than originally claimed or usual M6 ~4000 lbs , m5 ~4200 .


I know you will probably be right, but I don't want you to be buddy.

Doesn't anyone care if M uses the same old technology and throws it in their new cars? Where's the innovation? Where's the creativity? Where's the bespokeness? While I agree that the S63tu is one of the best designs, we have to remember it wasn't a designed from scratch engine like the S85 was. I guess I'm still a little old school and still clinging to the old ways. Hard to let go and hard to embrace a future where M Division simply recycles, re-tweaks, or improves on an existing design in the name of cost savings, efficiency, and ease of design. No doubt the S63tu is a unit with massive potential though. It's a great engine, but I will always prefer something new and groundbreaking.

I also agree with your concerns about chassis dynamics and suspension designs.
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I know you will probably be right, but I don't want you to be buddy.

Doesn't anyone care if M uses the same old technology and throws it in their new cars? Where's the innovation? Where's the creativity? Where's the bespokeness? While I agree that the S63tu is one of the best designs, we have to remember it wasn't a designed from scratch engine like the S85 was. I guess I'm still a little old school and still clinging to the old ways. Hard to let go and hard to embrace a future where M Division simply recycles, re-tweaks, or improves on an existing design in the name of cost savings, efficiency, and ease of design. No doubt the S63tu is a unit with massive potential though. It's a great engine, but I will always prefer something new and groundbreaking.

I also agree with your concerns about chassis dynamics and suspension designs.
BMW knows the ///M badge will sell, regardless and really doesn't need to spend a fortune to update or innovate. Bare-minimum of changes and then watch the money roll in.
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E90 m3 was thought as too heavy and f80 comes in slightly lower.

If g series comes in same or slightly lower I would imagine they will spin it as a victory with the addition of awd. And I just assumed they would add electric power based on their i division

I just hope and pray they keep the manual option for the US customers...
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E90 m3 was thought as too heavy and f80 comes in slightly lower.

If g series comes in same or slightly lower I would imagine they will spin it as a victory with the addition of awd. And I just assumed they would add electric power based on their i division

I just hope and pray they keep the manual option for the US customers...
They've already stated a while ago, that the F10 and F12/F06 are the last M5's and M6's to have a manual.
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Possible hybrid?

http://carbuzz.com/news/2015/5/17/Do...ecret-7727011/
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That's awesome man. I had no idea that Volvo was putting that system in their cars/SUV's. How much does Volvo charge for the upgrade?

Also, on the M2, I think it will be an excellent stop gap until the next M5/M6 come out. More nimble than the M4 at a cheaper price, but not as fast because of less power. I personally think the M2 will be a hit for BMW M and will receive massive praise as being the one car BMW makes that will remind it's drivers of BMW's heritage in racing.
Fully agree with that statement. After seeing the 235i and feeling so connected to the road..all I could think was e30. I'm a fan of a M2 anyday!
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Three questions:
1) Will it have AT LEAST 8 cylinders?
2) Will there be an ESTATE TOURING WAGON variant for the next M5? (especially since BMW is planning on making an M3 touring sometime this year)

and somewhat slightly off-topic

3) Has BMW changed their mind for the BMW M7??? (with Norbert Reithofer gone, does that mean that incoming BMW CEO Harald Kreuger would warm up to the idea of an M7)

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That B & W system is already in my new Volvo I am picking up from Sweden in July: http://blog.bowers-wilkins.com/speak...tem-for-volvo/
Congrats on your upcoming Volvo

And yeah, from what I've heard in the audiophile world Bowers & Wilkins rates higher than Bang & Olufsen

Bowers & Wilkins > Bang & Olufsen

For anyone that is buying a new Volvo (e.g. XC90) or any new Maserati (e.g. Quattroporte, Ghibli, etc.), then you MUST get B&W!!!

It is expensive though so you have to have $$$ to avail it. The cost though is the reason why Jaguar ditched them....and went with Meridian Audio instead.

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The XC90 only comes in the 4 cylinders? Do you believe that this adequate enough for an SUV of this class? Yes or no?

Would it make the car less refined?
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I know you will probably be right, but I don't want you to be buddy.

Doesn't anyone care if M uses the same old technology and throws it in their new cars? Where's the innovation? Where's the creativity? Where's the bespokeness? While I agree that the S63tu is one of the best designs, we have to remember it wasn't a designed from scratch engine like the S85 was. I guess I'm still a little old school and still clinging to the old ways. Hard to let go and hard to embrace a future where M Division simply recycles, re-tweaks, or improves on an existing design in the name of cost savings, efficiency, and ease of design. No doubt the S63tu is a unit with massive potential though. It's a great engine, but I will always prefer something new and groundbreaking.

I also agree with your concerns about chassis dynamics and suspension designs.

TOTALLY agree
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Three questions:
1) Will it have AT LEAST 8 cylinders?
2) Will there be an ESTATE TOURING WAGON variant for the next M5? (especially since BMW is planning on making an M3 touring sometime this year)

Congrats on your upcoming Volvo

And yeah, from what I've heard in the audiophile world Bowers & Wilkins rates higher than Bang & Olufsen

Bowers & Wilkins > Bang & Olufsen

For anyone that is buying a new Volvo (e.g. XC90) or any new Maserati (e.g. Quattroporte, Ghibli, etc.), then you MUST get B&W!!!

It is expensive though so you have to have $$$ to avail it. The cost though is the reason why Jaguar ditched them....and went with Meridian Audio instead.

P.S.
The XC90 only comes in the 4 cylinders? Do you believe that this adequate enough for an SUV of this class? Yes or no?

Would it make the car less refined?
Minor thread jack -- B & W in the Volvo is $2500. I happily paid it... its more than just the speakers, it also has an air-ventilated subwoofer, and Dirac sound processing. All reviews point to it being one of the best sound systems developed for a car in recent history. I am sure B&W will hit it out of the park for BMW as well.

XC90 engine, and all future Volvo engines, will be 4 cyl... This one is a 316HP/300Nftlb supercharged and turbocharged variant. The engine hold high torque across the power band and with it this tank of a vehicle does 0-60 in 6.1 seconds (basically the same as the X5d). I think it will be more than enough engine for my wife as her DD.

I seriously shopped the X5 and even possibly the X5M, but the XC90 had so many more safety features, and a much newer and nicer design -- at about $20K cheaper that's just more money in my pocket for my next future M car.

On your comments about estate/touring M... sadly, not going to happen especially for the US. Scott 26 has commented multiple times on this.. the 3-series wagon is dying out as a whole, no plans to do an F11 M5 for anywhere. They see the future for BMW in this size range as the fugly GT variants and the X5/X6. Evidently, they see no threat from the RS6 Avant or the AMG E63-S wagon.

While I am in Europe, and if the Euro remains weak against the dollar, I am going to seriously consider getting an Alpine B5 touring, knowing that I will never be able to bring this awesome car back to the states.
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back to the main point of this thread... Scott26 has been dropping more bombs in the CSL thread that talk of future M cars and their motors:

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The unknown thing about CSL Hommage is that it uses a variation of the Power eDrive drivetrain which could find its way into a another BMW M model as in this guise it has up to 560PS. Fit this within an M car and not only would be dynamic and lightweight.,but also innovative and efficient.
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Under the CSLs bonnet lies the next interpretation of Power eDrive.
So far we have shown you "Das Thing" the name given to the Power eDrive 5er Gran Turismo which generates via six cylinder and electric motor to produce 670 PS.
But in official press release we advise of three specific power outputs of this new performance drivetrain being developed at BMW.
The power under the CSL generates 560 PS. But this one is particularly special it is further tweaked by the M Division to suit the character of a BMW M car.

And what I am hearing it seems that there is a motion to use the CSL badge for more progressive and innovative M models and to make CSL models the test bed for exclusive performance and progressive innovation and that includes eDrive assisted drivetrains.
In a way it has come full circle on how Motorsport innovation was showcased with the original CSL.

The next variant of Power eDrive has not been shown but it is the "entry" if you want to call it that with about 460 PS which will launch in the next generation 5er and then be included in models from the 5er upwards.

The first BMW M eDrive car is not as far away as you may think.
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What if the awd was electric front drive?
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back to the main point of this thread... Scott26 has been dropping more bombs in the CSL thread that talk of future M cars and their motors:
Well shite, this is probably going to be the drive train for the next M5/M6. I need time to digest this.
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Has BMW considered the possibility of ELECTRIC TURBO?
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