F10 M5 ESS_JB4 760ft-lb/719whp

[allmotor_2000]

Originally Posted by tom @ eas

Very nice! Glad to see great numbers from this project.

Thx - car may be coming your way in a month for the next set of turbos...

[allmotor_2000]

Originally Posted by 335iRlz

Congragulations pretty much the only guy pushing the platform. Hopefully you carry this thing and set the bar so others feel safe going further.

I should start a collection now in case something breaks...

[tom @ eas]

Originally Posted by allmotor_2000

Thx - car may be coming your way in a month for the next set of turbos...

I'm sure we can handle that.

[M5Rlz]

Originally Posted by allmotor_2000

I should start a collection now in case something breaks...

I would think above 850whp is where you might be on your own with breaking parts. Especially doing lots of dyno pulls, thankfully you've got SSP and a few others who started doing trans work for the BMW, so even if a clip, gear, rod, etc. goes out between 800-1000 you've got people who would start looking into bettering the platform.

Or this car might be that strong and take some crazy numbers all day

[allmotor_2000]

Guess we will find out!! Car seems OK at this level with lots of hard driving and dyno pulls.

800'ish is likely what I will push on the stock short block. Honestly something else may break before rods!

[Tanin]

Originally Posted by allmotor_2000

I should start a collection now in case something breaks...

I'll be your wingman. I got your back on the first $100

the next $20k is on you

[M5Rlz]

Originally Posted by allmotor_2000

Guess we will find out!! Car seems OK at this level with lots of hard driving and dyno pulls.

800'ish is likely what I will push on the stock short block. Honestly something else may break before rods!

I honestly think just based on the N54 results that this engine will be good for near 900hp and I'm not sure again how many people will push it past that point... I mean there is like 1 guy building a v10 m6 to make over 1000whp lol think of all the cars that were sold, and we've got 1 guy pushing it that far...

I think most owners here will be happy for a 10 second 700-900whp car and call it a day. So I don't think it'll end up ever getting pushed far enough where serious R&D will have to go into aftermarket parts.

Which again is both sad and amazing because it speaks volumes about the quality of engineering that went into these BMWs, but sad that there isn't enough people willing to push it to the point that you we can get a path like the GTR or UGR or Evo.

I mean for GTR its basically
495-650whp = FBO fun and requires minimal parts
650-800whp= Turbos, short block depending on tune, and 1st gear upgrade
800-1200whp= Turbos, block, axels, built trans with gears
1200-1500whp+= Full long block with headwork, trans, tires, turbos, raceFMIC

I mean thats really what I would love to see from this generation of bmws a universally known [with a few exceptions here or there] path for making power, but I'm just not sure outside the few of us that it's going to get to that point.


But defiantly major props for you going at it almost entirely on your own and I definitely look forward to seeing what you accomplish.

[Andym3100k]

Originally Posted by 335iRlz

I honestly think just based on the N54 results that this engine will be good for near 900hp and I'm not sure again how many people will push it past that point... I mean there is like 1 guy building a v10 m6 to make over 1000whp lol think of all the cars that were sold, and we've got 1 guy pushing it that far...

I think most owners here will be happy for a 10 second 700-900whp car and call it a day. So I don't think it'll end up ever getting pushed far enough where serious R&D will have to go into aftermarket parts.

Which again is both sad and amazing because it speaks volumes about the quality of engineering that went into these BMWs, but sad that there isn't enough people willing to push it to the point that you we can get a path like the GTR or UGR or Evo.

I mean for GTR its basically
495-650whp = FBO fun and requires minimal parts
650-800whp= Turbos, short block depending on tune, and 1st gear upgrade
800-1200whp= Turbos, block, axels, built trans with gears
1200-1500whp+= Full long block with headwork, trans, tires, turbos, raceFMIC

I mean thats really what I would love to see from this generation of bmws a universally known [with a few exceptions here or there] path for making power, but I'm just not sure outside the few of us that it's going to get to that point.


But defiantly major props for you going at it almost entirely on your own and I definitely look forward to seeing what you accomplish.

+ 12345

[bm5bullit]

I am in complete agreement with you. Several years ago it just did not make sense to me that the X5M was able to run low 11's with just a tune and an exhaust with basically the same motor. But, now it makes perfect sense that I have 600 rwhp from my most recent dyno session. Car is a handful to drive on the street aggressively with the stock tires. I, for one, will be very happy when I hit 700 plus rwhp and run in the high 10's so I can embarrass a few of my exotic car friends.

Originally Posted by 335iRlz

I honestly think just based on the N54 results that this engine will be good for near 900hp and I'm not sure again how many people will push it past that point... I mean there is like 1 guy building a v10 m6 to make over 1000whp lol think of all the cars that were sold, and we've got 1 guy pushing it that far...

I think most owners here will be happy for a 10 second 700-900whp car and call it a day. So I don't think it'll end up ever getting pushed far enough where serious R&D will have to go into aftermarket parts.

Which again is both sad and amazing because it speaks volumes about the quality of engineering that went into these BMWs, but sad that there isn't enough people willing to push it to the point that you we can get a path like the GTR or UGR or Evo.

I mean for GTR its basically
495-650whp = FBO fun and requires minimal parts
650-800whp= Turbos, short block depending on tune, and 1st gear upgrade
800-1200whp= Turbos, block, axels, built trans with gears
1200-1500whp+= Full long block with headwork, trans, tires, turbos, raceFMIC

I mean thats really what I would love to see from this generation of bmws a universally known [with a few exceptions here or there] path for making power, but I'm just not sure outside the few of us that it's going to get to that point.


But defiantly major props for you going at it almost entirely on your own and I definitely look forward to seeing what you accomplish.

[M5Rlz]

Originally Posted by bm5bullit

I am in complete agreement with you. Several years ago it just did not make sense to me that the X5M was able to run low 11's with just a tune and an exhaust with basically the same motor. But, now it makes perfect sense that I have 600 rwhp from my most recent dyno session. Car is a handful to drive on the street aggressively with the stock tires. I, for one, will be very happy when I hit 700 plus rwhp and run in the high 10's so I can embarrass a few of my exotic car friends.

I mean, its amazing, and at the same time I sit back and shake my head because hardly any of us that are trying to get more don't even mod to the point that it'll eek out every bit of performance, and then I look at the n54 world or the m4 world and I see guys just worried about dyno sheets and numbers, but won't put axles on, won't put proper tire setups on.

There aren't many 19/20 inch drag radials out there and if the m5 was big enough posting aggressive enough numbers might help create enough buzz to help the industry push forward because R888s will start to show their limits around 800-1000whp.

But again why would ESS, AMS, etc. spend millions on making a 1000whp+ M5, X5M when the handful of us on here would be the only ones buying, maybe add in an equal amount of guys from each of the territories around the globe.

Its just sad because while all my local car scene guys are looking at WRX's and Evos and insert routine name... I sit there and say buy an n54 335i, and for 20k-30k [a used beat evo is 12-20k] and with the most expensive top tier kits like MotiV and fuel it system you can make 700-800+whp and it'll be 50x safer than an evo with a tune and some bolt ons...

Its just sad we've all not pushed BMWs to the point that they have real recognition as not just a platform to mod on, but one of the few that its actually safe to beat on and still get consistent safe performance

[allmotor_2000]

It's odd even with the e60 m5's that now sell for 20-25K, people aren't really pushing those platforms as well. I beat on my E60 with a supercharger for 50K miles and had no issues whatsoever minus regular wear and tear.

[M5Rlz]

Originally Posted by allmotor_2000

It's odd even with the e60 m5's that now sell for 20-25K, people aren't really pushing those platforms as well. I beat on my E60 with a supercharger for 50K miles and had no issues whatsoever minus regular wear and tear.

Most people buying 335i/M5/M6/M3 now-a-days are looking for cheap cool rides, and if they mod they seem to do reliable mods and the community is rife with "Thats enough for me" attitude where it doesn't help feed the very few go big or go home part of the community.

[mike@x-ph.com]

impressive numbers, keep it up

[MCarsFan]

+1
Missed this!

[combatbmw]

We met today, and I made the mistake of going for a ride, now my car feels like a Corolla.
Thanks Ram.

The experience was amazing, this car was something different in terms of how insanely powerful yet smooth power band.

[allmotor_2000]

Originally Posted by combatbmw

We met today, and I made the mistake of going for a ride, now my car feels like a Corolla.
Thanks Ram.

The experience was amazing, this car was something different in terms of how insanely powerful yet smooth power band.

Likewise - great to meet up. Let's get the work rolling on your beast!

[Msizzle]

man that thing must fly, i wish r888's fit on our 20's, I'm gunna put 305's instead of the stock 295's to try and get more grip on mine

[allmotor_2000]

Originally Posted by Msizzle

man that thing must fly, i wish r888's fit on our 20's, I'm gunna put 305's instead of the stock 295's to try and get more grip on mine

I run 315/30/20 R888's for daily driving on 20x11 wheels. Stocks spin 4th.... rolling into it

[greentrbo95gst]

sooooo, what's the update?

[infamousq]

These are some impressive numbers!!!!

[allmotor_2000]

Update is:

100-200 KMPH in 5.4s
60-130 MPH in 6.3-6.4s (my run was 6.25s in -3% slope)

[DLSJ5]

Originally Posted by allmotor_2000

Update is:

100-200 KMPH in 5.4s
60-130 MPH in 6.3-6.4s (my run was 6.25s in -3% slope)

Great #'s all around, good stuff. When you get a 60-130 run below the 3% slip, post it up in the official section here, and I'll start an F10 M5 list as well.

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=630463