RS6 vs M5 (Car Magazine review)

[daydaychu]

Originally Posted by EdM5

I'm not surprised. In Europe, consensus is that the M5 still is king.
RS6 and E AMG are fantastic packages as well though.

Nevermind clowns like Lieberman.

so true. I hate that stupid Lieberman. His review is the most unprofessional and biased.

[Ubersmooth]

Originally Posted by stealth.pilot

To me the RS6 Avant looks like a civil servants car. i could imagine someone like the local postmaster driving one of these. Station Wagons are not cool.

Trust me, look at a tastefully modded one in person and it looks stunning. And I'll admit, the whole wagon sleeper part of it adds to the appeal.

Honestly, I don't get all the flack towards wagon. They aren't the wagons people grew up with in the 80's.

[SouthShoreM3]

I agree I love the whole wagon look. I would drive one I heart beat if they brought state side.

Especially the olderV10 twin turbo RS6.
Tuned and modded that car is crazy fast. Sounds pretty good as well from the videos I've seen.

[shivaswrath]

Originally Posted by dhirm5

First review I've seen praising the M5 steering. If RS6 steering is anything like the S5, I'm not surprised they didn't like it. It is very nice to look at though.

Not sure why they're calling the M5 half a second slower to 60 than the RS6 -- most people and mags are testing it at 3.6 - 3.7.

Right? Every other review has slammed the steering, lol!

[TheBingoBalls]

Originally Posted by daydaychu

M5 and M6 gc seems to be winning in many of the European magazines, but loosing in the American ones. I remember in C&D, the M6 GC beat the RS7 for almost everything except acceleration, yet it lost pretty much because RS7 has bigger trunk.

I feel that the Euro magazines look at the car for what it is vs. the American magazines that set their own criteria and base cars off of it. Let's face it, the F10 M5 is not like the E60 M5 nor does it try to be and I think the Europeans understand this concept unlike the Americans who keep complaining about weight, and how different it is from previous M5's so the result is it's not that great of a car.

Watch when the next generation M5 comes, if and when it becomes AWD, American's are going to slam the M5 for leaving their roots and not staying RWD despite the fact that both Audi and Mercedes have AWD and not recognizing the landscape has changed and xDrive would be necessary just because how powerful the M5 will become.

[stealth.pilot]

Originally Posted by Amer328i

Trust me, look at a tastefully modded one in person and it looks stunning. And I'll admit, the whole wagon sleeper part of it adds to the appeal.

Honestly, I don't get all the flack towards wagon. They aren't the wagons people grew up with in the 80's.

I just don't like the look. To me a sedan or a coupe looks much more sleek.

I saw both the RS6 Avant and the RS7 on my recent trip to Germany.

I like the RS7 in terms of appearance but wouldn't be caught dead in an RS6.

[clar]

Not sure why steering is even an issue in the F10 M5. I remember reading from most initial reviews praising the F10 M5's steering as the best steering M5 ever. Personally, a bit more feedback would be nice, but it's a good steering nonetheless.

[stealth.pilot]

Originally Posted by clar

Not sure why steering is even an issue in the F10 M5. I remember reading from most initial reviews praising the F10 M5's steering as the best steering M5 ever. Personally, a bit more feedback would be nice, but it's a good steering nonetheless.

Agree. The issue is the American motoring press are like a bunch of coke addicts. They want extreme exaggerated feedback because they are numb from their coke use and can't receive normal stimuli anymore.

The European press doesn't have this problem.

[touringfanatic]

Originally Posted by aajami

It's really a shame that Audi doesn't make a non-Avant version of the RS6.

It's more of a shame that bmw doesn't make the touring version

[pkimM3r]

this is just a summary of RS vs ///M

[pkimM3r]

Originally Posted by stealth.pilot

Agree. The issue is the American motoring press are like a bunch of coke addicts. They want extreme exaggerated feedback because they are numb from their coke use and can't receive normal stimuli anymore.

The European press doesn't have this problem.

HAHA brilliant!

[smashhell]

Originally Posted by bm323

long term test review: M5 vs Panamera GTS

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Drives/...ong-term-test/ (see his views month 4 and month 9, which appear to have shifted: "Just to keep twisting the knife, let’s throw in a rival too, say the BMW M5, which has 128bhp more power, costs 18k less, and when you drive it hard it’s better than the Panamera – and every other super-saloon on sale.")

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Drives/...m-test-review/ (see months 10 and 11)

That is awesome!

[DieGrüneHölle]

RS6 looks so good. Widebody wagon FTW.

[N & M]

What a surprise!?! George K is usually very Audicentric.

Good review, but I still think the current V8 range is a missed opportunity. The traction, wieight...

[Rolitto]

BMW should have gone with a 4.0 litre V8 delivering 560 hp instead of 4.4 litre. Why go for the 4.4 litre if the same output numbers can be achieved from a 4.0?

[EdM5]

Originally Posted by stealth.pilot

Agree. The issue is the American motoring press are like a bunch of coke addicts. They want extreme exaggerated feedback because they are numb from their coke use and can't receive normal stimuli anymore.

The European press doesn't have this problem.

[EdM5]

Originally Posted by Rolitto

BMW should have gone with a 4.0 litre V8 delivering 560 hp instead of 4.4 litre. Why go for the 4.4 litre if the same output numbers can be achieved from a 4.0?

Please elaborate

[lasovan]

I don't like Audis although I own one. Audis have no soul compared to BMWs, at least here in EU this is the general opinion. Same goes for RS vs M. You do not buy an Audi as a car enthusiast you buy it more because it's a sensible purchase. It's like comparing FIAT to Alfa Romeo in some respect if you know what I mean. Or Porsche to Ferrari. The first epitomises sensibleness and the other one heart. Let alone all the BMW's technical prowess that is objectively greater.

[Maxib37]

AUDI = BORING AND ALL LOOK THE SAME! Id rarther a vw

[cotmfk]

IMO, the review is clearly biased. The S6 (no R) is being compared favorably to the M5. There's no way an RS6 would not.

[stealth.pilot]

Originally Posted by Maxib37

AUDI = BORING AND ALL LOOK THE SAME! Id rarther a vw

What's the difference?

[dhirm5]

Originally Posted by cotmfk

IMO, the review is clearly biased. The S6 (no R) is being compared favorably to the M5. There's no way an RS6 would not.

The review where the S6 is compared favorably is the one with the bias. This is the one you're referring to I presume:

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...omparison-test

This review is utter nonsense as far as I am concerned. The cars are in two completely different classes. As far as I'm concerned, C&D stopped being a reliable source of automotive journalism several years back, around the time Csaba Csere left - or maybe even Brock Yates a couple years before that; which is why I stopped renewing my subscription.