BMS update

shahano · 09-10-2014, 09:01 AM

Just finally pulled the trigger on a BMS piggyback and wanted to get some feedback before installing.

1.Who has put on the most miles on their BMS ECU tune?
2.How does the system act after so many miles?
3.Has anyone had any problems with the BMS tune?

Fantasm · 09-10-2014, 01:41 PM

1. 10K+ miles so far
2. acts perfectly fine, just more power / tq
3. havent had any, havent heard of anyone having any with the F10 M5

its a pretty basic mod

Mscarpa · 09-10-2014, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Fantasm

1. a few thousand so far
2. acts perfectly fine, just more power / tq
3. havent had any, havent heard of anyone having any with the F10 M5

its a pretty basic mod

+1 and about 1,000 miles.

shahano · 09-10-2014, 04:03 PM

greattt to hear... anyone else??

M5Rlz · 09-10-2014, 06:30 PM

18k+ miles I put it on right after break in.

no problem after any amount that I've seen.

I had one problem when I turned up the boost on 93 octane.. I had one of the first units and first firmware files and I tried to run around 4lbs of boost which from what Terry told me was akin to running 6lbs of boost on the newer units like you would have. All that happened is at 166 I got a drivetrain light and car rebooted and ran fine [so even then it was still working fine

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Fantasm · 09-10-2014, 08:36 PM

actually, i just realized that i added the BMS when I bought the car too.. so I've had it on for 10,000 miles now actually.

m6beast · 09-10-2014, 10:10 PM

First M6 with BMS and 26k on tach
No issues with meth intergration at 6lb boost increase

Good luck and enjoy!

shahano · 09-11-2014, 12:48 AM

Woawww. 26k miles with this system.. Do you remove it for service?

m6beast · 09-11-2014, 04:37 AM

No, just change to map 0 just in case they have to mess with software and DME

shahano · 09-11-2014, 10:22 AM

on normal gas is it 2.25 or 3? Or does it depend on your ecu?

Timberwolf · 09-11-2014, 12:18 PM

I think I was the 2nd or 3rd M5/6 to install the JB after M6Beast. I have at least 6k miles with no issues. I run 3.5 over stock but have tested 5.5 with race gas with no issues! I also ran the JB4 on my N54 for 3.5 years with 0 issues and the new owner is still having no problems!

gmd2003 · 09-11-2014, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by shahano

on normal gas is it 2.25 or 3? Or does it depend on your ecu?

Depends on the BMS firmware version . 3.0 is the base map for the new BMS firmware .

M5Rlz · 09-11-2014, 01:52 PM

I have 7k on the m4 with it put on RIGHT after I got break in and its been fine as well..

Thats with the alpha testing firmware.

shahano · 09-11-2014, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by gmd2003

Depends on the BMS firmware version . 3.0 is the base map for the new BMS firmware .

I dont get it, is it based on the firmware of BMS or the firmware of the car (car model year). In the installation manual they show 2 windows and they each have a different firmware version. My M5 is a 2012 (european) so I was just curious.

gmd2003 · 09-11-2014, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by shahano

Quote:

Originally Posted by gmd2003

Depends on the BMS firmware version . 3.0 is the base map for the new BMS firmware .

I dont get it, is it based on the firmware of BMS or the firmware of the car (car model year). In the installation manual they show 2 windows and they each have a different firmware version. My M5 is a 2012 (european) so I was just curious.

The firmware of the BMS is what matters , the car is irrelevant . In the new firmware 3psi =3 psi , while in the old firmware 2.2~ 3 .

r33_RGSport · 09-12-2014, 12:34 AM

Been using BMS Stage 1, then upgraded to Stage 2 on both of my car. Combined miles 30k.
I got so impressed with the product, I decided to became a reseller.
Also, had a great experience first hand last week with the M4 setup. I got a chance to drove the car before and after the JB4. It was night and day, butt dyno was 500+ whp, and it was proven by someone's dyno running the same setup.

shahano · 09-12-2014, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by gmd2003

The firmware of the BMS is what matters , the car is irrelevant . In the new firmware 3psi =3 psi , while in the old firmware 2.2~ 3 .

thanks for the clarification. Since I just ordered it, I assume I will receive the new firmware.

shahano · 09-12-2014, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by r33

Been using BMS Stage 1, then upgraded to Stage 2 on both of my car. Combined miles 30k.
I got so impressed with the product, I decided to became a reseller.
Also, had a great experience first hand last week with the M4 setup. I got a chance to drove the car before and after the JB4. It was night and day, butt dyno was 500+ whp, and it was proven by someone's dyno running the same setup.

Stage 2?

Is there a stage to for the F10 M5?? What does that include?

(H) · 09-12-2014, 10:13 AM

To all that run the BMS Stage 1 on their S63tu M5:

a) What is your max daily drive setting for boost on 93 octane?

b) How much of a difference for the butt dyno does it make for example to go from 3.25 to 3.75 or from 3.5 to 4.5?

c) Everybody claims that the car needs to "adjust" to the tune and it takes a couple of days (I honestly don't understand given that it is a 1/0 type change). If I were to change for example from 3.5 at 93 octane to 4.5 at 100 octane, would it also take days to adjust? Obviously would be disappointing as that would make swift setting changes on the track impossible.

Thanks for any clarification.

#H

(H) · 09-12-2014, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by shahano

Stage 2?

Is there a stage to for the F10 M5?? What does that include?

No stage 2 for the S63tu yet. That's for N55 engines and others.

r33_RGSport · 09-12-2014, 10:59 AM

My apology, I was just answering the questions on generic basis. Not specific for S63tu M5/M6 setup.

Timberwolf · 09-12-2014, 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by (H)

To all that run the BMS Stage 1 on their S63tu M5:

a) What is your max daily drive setting for boost on 93 octane?

b) How much of a difference for the butt dyno does it make for example to go from 3.25 to 3.75 or from 3.5 to 4.5?

c) Everybody claims that the car needs to "adjust" to the tune and it takes a couple of days (I honestly don't understand given that it is a 1/0 type change). If I were to change for example from 3.5 at 93 octane to 4.5 at 100 octane, would it also take days to adjust? Obviously would be disappointing as that would make swift setting changes on the track impossible.

Thanks for any clarification.

#H

Here's what I can say.
With only JB and charcoal filter delete, I did a best of 623 at the wheels at the original 2.2 boost over stock (old firmware) on a dynojet (In 4th gear).
A few months later I added K&N drop ins, catless DPs, Turner muffler delete, and JB on 3.5 (new firmware) made 647 at the wheels on the same dyno (5th gear).
Just adding 5 galons of MS109 to an empty tank, the power jumped 10whp with no changes just fuel.
I then bumped the boost to +4, did one run to 5400 to let the car adapt, then let her cool down. Thirty minutes later, we ran her again in 5th gear and she made 692 at 6k rpms which is the top speed limiter and 100 rpms to go. We left it at that. Ultimately, with more time to adapt, no top speed limiter, the car would have made low 700s at the wheels. Adding 2 more lbs of boost would have yielded even higher results, but I played it conservative...

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shahano Lieutenant Colonel 231 Rep 1,576 Posts Drives: 21' M2C 6spd ,11' 1M, 88' M3 Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: London, UK iTrader: (0)	BMS update Just finally pulled the trigger on a BMS piggyback and wanted to get some feedback before installing. 1.Who has put on the most miles on their BMS ECU tune? 2.How does the system act after so many miles? 3.Has anyone had any problems with the BMS tune?
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Fantasm Lieutenant 39 Rep 475 Posts Drives: SL63 Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Orange County, CA iTrader: (2)	1. 10K+ miles so far 2. acts perfectly fine, just more power / tq 3. havent had any, havent heard of anyone having any with the F10 M5 its a pretty basic mod __________________ NOW: 2011 Ferrari 458, 2014 BMW M5 w/ CompPack, 2014 BMW X1, 2005 BMW M3 with Gintani SC&Meth, 2008 Ducati 1098 BEFORE: 24+ Other Awesome Cars - BYE - My Straight Piped Ferrari 458 (plus other mods): http://goo.gl/2qf5fW Last edited by Fantasm; 09-10-2014 at 08:36 PM..
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shahano Lieutenant Colonel 231 Rep 1,576 Posts Drives: 21' M2C 6spd ,11' 1M, 88' M3 Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: London, UK iTrader: (0)	greattt to hear... anyone else??
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M5Rlz Colonel 249 Rep 2,202 Posts Drives: R8, f10m59(Rip), m4, GTR Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: MD iTrader: (3)	18k+ miles I put it on right after break in. no problem after any amount that I've seen. I had one problem when I turned up the boost on 93 octane.. I had one of the first units and first firmware files and I tried to run around 4lbs of boost which from what Terry told me was akin to running 6lbs of boost on the newer units like you would have. All that happened is at 166 I got a drivetrain light and car rebooted and ran fine [so even then it was still working fine ]
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Fantasm Lieutenant 39 Rep 475 Posts Drives: SL63 Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Orange County, CA iTrader: (2)	actually, i just realized that i added the BMS when I bought the car too.. so I've had it on for 10,000 miles now actually. __________________ NOW: 2011 Ferrari 458, 2014 BMW M5 w/ CompPack, 2014 BMW X1, 2005 BMW M3 with Gintani SC&Meth, 2008 Ducati 1098 BEFORE: 24+ Other Awesome Cars - BYE - My Straight Piped Ferrari 458 (plus other mods): http://goo.gl/2qf5fW
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m6beast Captain 185 Rep 792 Posts Drives: stock m6 Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: nc iTrader: (0)	First M6 with BMS and 26k on tach No issues with meth intergration at 6lb boost increase Good luck and enjoy!
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shahano Lieutenant Colonel 231 Rep 1,576 Posts Drives: 21' M2C 6spd ,11' 1M, 88' M3 Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: London, UK iTrader: (0)	Woawww. 26k miles with this system.. Do you remove it for service?
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m6beast Captain 185 Rep 792 Posts Drives: stock m6 Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: nc iTrader: (0)	No, just change to map 0 just in case they have to mess with software and DME
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shahano Lieutenant Colonel 231 Rep 1,576 Posts Drives: 21' M2C 6spd ,11' 1M, 88' M3 Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: London, UK iTrader: (0)	on normal gas is it 2.25 or 3? Or does it depend on your ecu?
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Timberwolf Captain 196 Rep 785 Posts Drives: People crazy Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Location, Location iTrader: (0)	I think I was the 2nd or 3rd M5/6 to install the JB after M6Beast. I have at least 6k miles with no issues. I run 3.5 over stock but have tested 5.5 with race gas with no issues! I also ran the JB4 on my N54 for 3.5 years with 0 issues and the new owner is still having no problems! __________________ 991 Turbo 993 GT2 Outlaw
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r33_RGSport General 12966 Rep 18,713 Posts Drives: G09 XM, G05 X5 40, 991.2 T Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: So. Cal iTrader: (6)	Been using BMS Stage 1, then upgraded to Stage 2 on both of my car. Combined miles 30k. I got so impressed with the product, I decided to became a reseller. Also, had a great experience first hand last week with the M4 setup. I got a chance to drove the car before and after the JB4. It was night and day, butt dyno was 500+ whp, and it was proven by someone's dyno running the same setup. __________________ Email:sales@rgsport.com \| IG:RGSport_USA \| Web:RGSportShop.com PM for Everyday DEALS!! MSS • iSweep • RaceChip • Sterckenn • AutoTecknic • Akrapovic • Vossen Wheels • Eventuri Active Autowerke • KW • H&R • Ohlins • Remus • and more...
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(H) Lieutenant 156 Rep 592 Posts Drives: F80 M3 (after F10 M5 ;-) Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Now Boca Raton, FL iTrader: (0)	To all that run the BMS Stage 1 on their S63tu M5: a) What is your max daily drive setting for boost on 93 octane? b) How much of a difference for the butt dyno does it make for example to go from 3.25 to 3.75 or from 3.5 to 4.5? c) Everybody claims that the car needs to "adjust" to the tune and it takes a couple of days (I honestly don't understand given that it is a 1/0 type change). If I were to change for example from 3.5 at 93 octane to 4.5 at 100 octane, would it also take days to adjust? Obviously would be disappointing as that would make swift setting changes on the track impossible. Thanks for any clarification. #H __________________ -------------------------------------------------------- IG: hartmutkraft FB: seventeenjewels
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