Eurocharged Tune for M5

[Boss330]

Originally Posted by gmd2003

My point is I can make a video look any way I want , you can't change the trap speed at the strip . I don't trust these vids as authoritative , people can be in the wrong gear, have undisclosed mods , sandbag intentionally , etc . I can show you dozens of vids of Sasquatch will you believe that too

Yes, of course you can choose not to believe the GT Board videos. That is your perogative

But then I don't understand how you can use the same videos to claim that the MHR M6 shows a "great variance" in performance

Just as you don't believe the 458 vs 911 videos, because they might have undisclosed mods, sandbag etc, why do you believe the videos where the MHR M6 races with the 911 and 458. After all the same points must be valid for those races as well

Since you based your initial claims regarding the MHR M6 on these videos, you must have placed some trust in them then... It doesn't seem logic that the videos only can be used to disprove the MHR M6, but not to see how the 911 and 458 compared on the same day, same conditions etc?

And regarding trap speed. How do you/we know that the same "reservations" you have with the GT Board events isn't true on a drag strip as well? And make sure that we compare times set under identical circumstances...

In the DragTimesInfo drag the 911 has a 5,5km/h faster trap speed than the 458 in the 1/4-mile. Only at the 1-mile distance is the 458 just under 2km/h faster...

And in this comparison test done by C&D the Porsche 911 achieves 2.7 seconds to 60, to 100 mph in 6.4, through the quarter-mile in 10.8 at 129! and the 458 flashes to 60 mph in 3.3 seconds and through the quarter-mile in 11.5 at 125 mph...

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...omparison-test

All of this seems, to me, to back up the GT Board results

[gmd2003]

Originally Posted by Boss330

Yes, of course you can choose not to believe the GT Board videos. That is your perogative

But then I don't understand how you can use the same videos to claim that the MHR M6 shows a "great variance" in performance

Just as you don't believe the 458 vs 911 videos, because they might have undisclosed mods, sandbag etc, why do you believe the videos where the MHR M6 races with the 911 and 458. After all the same points must be valid for those races as well

Since you based your initial claims regarding the MHR M6 on these videos, you must have placed some trust in them then... It doesn't seem logic that the videos only can be used to disprove the MHR M6, but not to see how the 911 and 458 compared on the same day, same conditions etc?

And regarding trap speed. How do you/we know that the same "reservations" you have with the GT Board events isn't true on a drag strip as well? And make sure that we compare times set under identical circumstances...

In the DragTimesInfo drag the 911 has a 5,5km/h faster trap speed than the 458 in the 1/4-mile. Only at the 1-mile distance is the 458 just under 2km/h faster...

The fastest stock 911 turbo trap on drag times and it's a (turbo S) , is only 129 mph . You are referring to a modded 911 turbo . The 458 trapping 131mph is stock . To be listed on drag times you have to disclose mods , provide verified time skips etc . People are running against the clock not each other .FYI look up ind cars times not web links to races .

[gmd2003]

Here you go , can't argue with this. Oh and TTM6 who has 630whp/598wtq with a piggyback tune ( more power than Manhart ) , had a best trap of 127mph at the strip recently , less than both the stock 911 Turbo S and the 458 .

[Boss330]

Originally Posted by gmd2003

The fastest stock 911 turbo trap on drag times and it's a (turbo S) , is only 129 mph . You are referring to a modded 911 turbo . The 458 trapping 131mph is stock . To be listed on drag times you have to disclose mods , provide verified time skips etc . People are running against the clock not each other .FYI look up ind cars times not web links to races .

I was NOT referring to the website you are using. I was referring to the video I posted above... The video of the 911 Turbo S vs the 458 Italia going down the long drag strip with 1/4 mile and 1-mile times listed at the end of the video. Which is why I said DragTimesInfo, NOT DragTimes.com...

As I said previously, times posted must be compared with respect to what conditions they were set under. Humidity, altitude, temperature, track conditions etc. That's why shootouts like GT Board are so good, the conditions are equal for all the cars. So times/results are comparable. No excuses.

In this comparison test done by C&D the Porsche 911 achieves 2.7 seconds to 60, to 100 mph in 6.4, through the quarter-mile in 10.8 at 129! The 458 flashes to 60 mph in 3.3 seconds and through the quarter-mile in 11.5 at 125 mph... Comaparable as the tests are done by the same people, on the same track and under similar circumstances.

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...omparison-test

All of this seems, to me, to back up the GT Board results

[Boss330]

Originally Posted by gmd2003

Here you go , can't argue with this. Oh and TTM6 who has 630whp/598wtq with a piggyback tune ( more power than Manhart ) , had a best trap of 127mph at the strip recently , less than both the stock 911 Turbo S and the 458 .

At what track, what temperature etc...

So are you now saying that since the MHR M6 beats both 911 turbo S and 458 that it either has more power than you thought, or that BOTH the 458 and 911 Turbo S are sandbagging?

And the MHR Stage IV has been verified at 660WHP, so more than the car you have times for...

http://f10.m5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=830347

[gmd2003]

Originally Posted by Boss330

I was NOT referring to the website you are using. I was referring to the video I posted above... The video of the 911 Turbo S vs the 458 Italia going down the long drag strip with 1/4 mile and 1-mile times listed at the end of the video. Which is why I said DragTimesInfo, NOT DragTimes.com...

As I said previously, times posted must be compared with respect to what conditions they were set under. Humidity, altitude, temperature, track conditions etc. That's why shootouts like GT Board are so good, the conditions are equal for all the cars. So times/results are comparable. No excuses.

In this comparison test done by C&D the Porsche 911 achieves 2.7 seconds to 60, to 100 mph in 6.4, through the quarter-mile in 10.8 at 129! The 458 flashes to 60 mph in 3.3 seconds and through the quarter-mile in 11.5 at 125 mph... Comaparable as the tests are done by the same people, on the same track and under similar circumstances.

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...omparison-test

All of this seems, to me, to back up the GT Board results

In the videos on GT board it's a 911 turbo PDK vs the Manhart car , not an S by the way. Just admit a 458 Italia is faster than a 997 Turbo non S from a roll .

[Boss330]

Originally Posted by gmd2003

In the videos on GT board it's a 911 turbo PDK vs the Manhart car , not an S by the way. Just admit a 458 Italia is faster than a 997 Turbo non S from a roll .

The C&D test says otherwise (trap speed).

I'll post the videos once again, just for you, so you can check once again if it's a Turbo S or not

And Porsche 911 Turbo S vs 458 Italia:

Here is the DragTimesInfo video, although a standing start, the 458 never catches up or closes in on the 911 (as it should have if it's faster once rolling...)

[gmd2003]

Originally Posted by Boss330

At what track, what temperature etc...

So are you now saying that since the MHR M6 beats both 911 turbo S and 458 that it either has more power than you thought, or that BOTH the 458 and 911 Turbo S are sandbagging?

And the MHR Stage IV has been verified at 660WHP, so more than the car you have times for...

http://f10.m5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=830347

I hadn't seen that dyno yet nice , so it's making more than the claimed 700 hp for sure . Honestly I'd like to see some 60-130 times 1/4 traps for it . Then I can compare apples to apples . Trap speed of a car that has good traction is the best indicator of how much power a car makes . DA is important but much less so for turbo cars . The 127mph trap was in Darlington SC at a roughly 0 tDA . An extra 30 whp would not have gotten it to more than 128 mph . I own a 2014 CP M6 , it's a hell of car and I love it , but I am not expecting it to ever trap 130mph no matter what I do to it . If someone shows me proof it can great . I look forward to seeing it .

[gmd2003]

Originally Posted by Boss330

The C&D test says otherwise (trap speed).

I'll post the videos once again, just for you, so you can check once again if it's a Turbo S or not

And Porsche 911 Turbo S vs 458 Italia:

Here is the DragTimesInfo video, although a standing start, the 458 never catches up or closes in on the 911 (as it should have if it's faster once rolling...)

We are talking about different GT board videos .I agree the one you posted is of an S . My point is the Turbo S and the 458 should both still be faster than the Manhart M6 based on power to weight and documented best trap speeds . It is obvious we will never agree , I believe accumulated hard data , and you like Russian drag videos , to each his own .

[Boss330]

Originally Posted by gmd2003

We are talking about different GT board videos .I agree the one you posted is of an S . My point is the Turbo S and the 458 should both still be faster than the Manhart M6 based on power to weight and documented best trap speeds . It is obvious we will never agree , I believe accumulated hard data , and you like Russian drag videos , to each his own .

These are the videos I have posted all along, and I don't know of any other MHR M6 videos of similar races. Please provide the videos you are referring to!

I understand that your point now is that both the Turbo S and the 458 should be faster than the MHR M6, right?

That only leads to one conclusion: Either the MHR M6 has more power than you thought, or that both the 458 and Turbo S is sandbagging in ALL of the races.

I ALSO believe in accumulated data, like all of the GT Board videos and US based magazine C&D comparison test.

If you rather choose to believe in times posted on dragtimes.com, set on different tracks with different temperature, altitude, humidity etc. Please be my guest I prefer comparisons under similar circumstances, face to face. Or like the C&D comparison test, times verified by a independent magazine and set under similar circumstances!

As you say, to each his own

And, I also believe we won't agree here. I'll let the other forum members judge the performance of the cars for themselves. To me, there is no doubt that the MHR M6 is a consistently seriously fast car

[gmd2003]

Originally Posted by Boss330

These are the videos I have posted all along, and I don't know of any other MHR M6 videos of similar races. Please provide the videos you are referring to!

I understand that your point now is that both the Turbo S and the 458 should be faster than the MHR M6, right?

That only leads to one conclusion: Either the MHR M6 has more power than you thought, or that both the 458 and Turbo S is sandbagging in ALL of the races.

I ALSO believe in accumulated data, like all of the GT Board videos and US based magazine C&D comparison test.

If you rather choose to believe in times posted on dragtimes.com, set on different tracks with different temperature, altitude, humidity etc. Please be my guest I prefer comparisons under similar circumstances, face to face. Or like the C&D comparison test, times verified by a independent magazine and set under similar circumstances!

Here is a R/T comparo with the. 458 since you like car mags . It traps over well 130mph . Of course I believe the Manhart M6 is fast , I just don't believe it beats everything on the planet .

[Boss330]

Originally Posted by gmd2003

Here is a R/T comparo with the. 458 since you like car mags .

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Didn't see a 911 Turbo S in that video though

I don't believe the MHR M6 beats anything in the world either, and have never said so! I am just disagreeing that the GT Board videos show a "great variation" in performance based on the races it did with the 458 and 911.

Here is one from the drag strip

The cars are so closely matched that I'm pretty sure we can find videos with differing results as it's down to track, driver etc. Still, seeing that they are both closely matched and that more often than not it seems the Turbo S has the advantage, I still believe that none of the GT Board videos show that the MHR M6 has a "great variation" in performance (which is the point we are arguing originally).

[gmd2003]

Originally Posted by Boss330

Didn't see a 911 Turbo S in that video though

Here is one from the drag strip

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The cars are so closely matched that I'm pretty sure we can find videos with differing results as it's down to track, driver etc. Still, seeing that they are both closely matched and that more often than not it seems the Turbo S has the advantage, I still believe that none of the GT Board videos show that the MHR M6 has a "great variation" in performance (which is the point we are arguing originally).

This is the video that shows the great variation versus a non S 911 turbo .a car that doesn't trap anywhere close to a 458 or a turbo S under any conditions .the M6 has to fight back after being blown away at the start . Makes zero sense when the other vids are taken into consideration.

[Boss330]

Originally Posted by gmd2003

This is the video that shows the great variation versus a non S 911 turbo .a car that doesn't trap anywhere close to a 458 or a turbo S under any conditions .the M6 has to fight back after being blown away at the start . Makes zero sense when the other vids are taken into consideration.

Thanks for the video

The MHR M6 looses at the start, but if you compare how it catches up the 911 Turbo vs the 911 Turbo S, you see that it gains quicker and passes earlier than it does the Turbo S. Makes perfect sense as the 911 Turbo has less power than the 911 Turbo S and therefor the MHR should pass it easier.

The only variation is at the start, which can be down to grip, slow reaction or settings.

To me the MHR M6 vs Turbo vs Turbo S doesn't show any great variations, compare with how it also looses towards the Turbo S and just barely catches up. With the Turbo it catches easier and passes:

[gmd2003]

Originally Posted by Boss330

Thanks for the video

The MHR M6 looses at the start, but if you compare how it catches up the 911 Turbo vs the 911 Turbo S, you see that it gains quicker and passes earlier than it does the Turbo S. Makes perfect sense as the 911 Turbo has less power than the 911 Turbo S and therefor the MHR should pass it easier.

The only variation is at the start, which can be down to grip, slow reaction or settings.

To me the MHR M6 vs Turbo vs Turbo S doesn't show any great variations, compare with how it also looses towards the Turbo S and just barely catches up. With the Turbo it catches easier and passes:

My point is it should have never been behind the non S turbo . It did much better against the turbo S and the 458 which are both much quicker cars . The 458 from the start should especially jump out in front bc of it's gearing and NA throttle response . So that is a great variation in performance .

[Boss330]

Originally Posted by gmd2003

My point is it should have never been behind the non S turbo . It did much better against the turbo S and the 458 which are both much quicker cars . The 458 from the start should especially jump out in front bc of it's gearing and NA throttle response . So that is a great variation in performance .

I think we just view these videos differently.

The MHR M6 will never have better traction than either the 458 or 911, so it is just as expected that it struggles from 50km/h until it has overcome traction issues. The part that I mean is relevant to analyze the performance of, is when traction issues has been overcome. Then it's clear that the MHR M6 pulls quicker on the non S than it does on the Turbo S. So it does do much better against the 911 Turbo than it does against the 458 and Turbo S

And to put the 30hp difference between the 911 Turbo S and Turbo in perspective:

You see a great variation in performance, I don't Let's just leave it at that and possibly agree that there is room for both views?


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[utahm5]

Originally Posted by chudak18

$3900 = 55 hp? Lol jk.

Now I would pay $3,900 in a heart beat for the BMW Euro chip!

[M5Rlz]

Originally Posted by utahm5

Now I would pay $3,900 in a heart beat for the BMW Euro chip!

Not that unreasonable especially if anyone came from the e90s m3's I paid 899 for Intake, 399 for pulley kit, 1600 for tune, 600 for dct tune... Maybe 30-55whp across the band :/