Attn Chicago owners: ALPHA Performance needs an F10 M5 for full custom tuning

[AMS ALPHA]

Originally Posted by boots

Remote flash would be awesome. Cel removal a must as well as speed limiter removal. Added hp/tq a must. That dreaded dt mal gone when you step on it. Ams will you be able to remove the cold start as well?

Technically we can play with cold start but its not something you should simply "turn off" It's going to take some time with that particular system. It's there for a reason.

Eric

[greentrbo95gst]

Originally Posted by AMS ALPHA

Technically we can play with cold start but its not something you should simply "turn off" It's going to take some time with that particular system. It's there for a reason.

Eric

There is a way you can control the cold start with the gas pedal yourself.

[boots]

Thanks ams fir your response. Lol. Yea I know turbo foot down on the peddle. I have no choice but to leave as soon as I start the car at 5:15am and hurry and exit the garage. I know my neighbors love me. No complaints yet. Lol. Not that I've heard. As you saw on that vid I sent u the other day I got no dtmal guess it is sometimey when it chimes in. Next time I'll c about pulling codes.

[greentrbo95gst]

Originally Posted by boots

Thanks ams fir your response. Lol. Yea I know turbo foot down on the peddle. I have no choice but to leave as soon as I start the car at 5:15am and hurry and exit the garage. I know my neighbors love me. No complaints yet. Lol. Not that I've heard. As you saw on that vid I sent u the other day I got no dtmal guess it is sometimey when it chimes in. Next time I'll c about pulling codes.

I texted you back, but haven not heard from you.
I could not see the video. It showed up as a weird link.

[AMS ALPHA]

645whp and 630tq. Not too shabby for 93 octane a tune and an exhaust. I think our first ALPHA 7 M5 was just born

Eric

[greentrbo95gst]

Originally Posted by AMS ALPHA

645whp and 630tq. Not too shabby for 93 octane a tune and an exhaust. I think our first ALPHA 7 M5 was just born

Eric

Downpipes as well? Catless?

[AMS ALPHA]

Originally Posted by greentrbo95gst

Downpipes as well? Catless?

Yes, the car came to use with our catted downpipes and an Eisenmann exhaust.

Eric

[greentrbo95gst]

Originally Posted by AMS ALPHA

Yes, the car came to use with our catless downpipes and an Eisenmann exhaust.

Eric

Stock air filters or BMC?

[AMS ALPHA]

Originally Posted by greentrbo95gst

Stock air filters or BMC?

It has a carbon airbox. Waiting on IND to confirm which one.

Eric

[greentrbo95gst]

Originally Posted by AMS ALPHA

It has a carbon airbox. Waiting on IND to confirm which one.

Eric

Thank you for being so informative and keeping us updated.

[AMS ALPHA]

The full mod list for this car is as follows:
AMS 90mm Catted Downpipes
Eisenmann full exhaust
GruppeM Japan Carbon Airbox set
ALPHA custom tune for 93 octane
645whp/630tq on our Dynojet so far.

I dont anticipate HP changing but they do want to spend some more time tweaking the tune to make sure everything is happy. I will say that I have always liked the F10 M5 but the fact that you can do pull almost 650whp from a full exhaust and a tune is pretty damn awesome.

[greentrbo95gst]

Originally Posted by AMS ALPHA

The full mod list for this car is as follows:
AMS 90mm Catted Downpipes
Eisenmann full exhaust
GruppeM Japan Carbon Airbox set
ALPHA custom tune for 93 octane
645whp/630tq on our Dynojet so far.

I dont anticipate HP changing but they do want to spend some more time tweaking the tune to make sure everything is happy. I will say that I have always liked the F10 M5 but the fact that you can do pull almost 650whp from a full exhaust and a tune is pretty damn awesome.

That is very impressive. You guys have always done amazing stuff. Even going back to my DSM days.
Need a Alpha 8 with upgraded turbos and race gas please.


I don't usually make assumptions, but in this case I would assume that with the same setup, but catless dp's and race gas you can do 680ish whp.

[Northern X5M]

Ummm, would AMS consider looking into upgrading the half shafts? LOL
I have already found the limits with sticky tires.

[AMS ALPHA]

Originally Posted by Northern X5M

Ummm, would AMS consider looking into upgrading the half shafts? LOL
I have already found the limits with sticky tires.

Sure, we have a great relationship with the guys at Driveshaft shop. We have been their guinea pig of sorts for years.

Eric

[infamousq]

Quick question, there is no remote flash and you need the ECU in order to tune the car does this mean you are physically messing with the ECU? Or are you just "hooking" it up to a system in order to tune the ECU? The reason I ask is I have read that some of the Germany tuners are just "cracking" into the ECU and physically modding it so that they can tune it.

Thanks Q

[AMS ALPHA]

We are physically hooking up to the ECU using some pretty complex tools and software but the actual ECU itself is not modified...simply remapped here. The process had two major hurdles. The first was unlocking the encryption. That has taken a great deal of time. The second is knowing/defining all the maps within the ECU. This also takes a great deal of time as you have to determine not only what each map does but how it communicates with other maps. Making one change could effect several other maps and negate what you are doing...oh and its all in German too lol.

I started a new thread about the gains including posting a dyno graph

http://f10.m5post.com/forums/showthr...9#post17220389

[infamousq]

Originally Posted by AMS ALPHA

We are physically hooking up to the ECU using some pretty complex tools and software but the actual ECU itself is not modified...simply remapped here. The process had two major hurdles. The first was unlocking the encryption. That has taken a great deal of time. The second is knowing/defining all the maps within the ECU. This also takes a great deal of time as you have to determine not only what each map does but how it communicates with other maps. Making one change could effect several other maps and negate what you are doing...oh and its all in German too lol.

I started a new thread about the gains including posting a dyno graph

http://f10.m5post.com/forums/showthr...9#post17220389

Well you my good man have me very interested!!! Thanks for answering so fast!!!

[boots]

Now the most famous questions of all Ams. How does it drive, pull, sound compared to before. And the best part---- cost for us poor people who are standing in line to order. I know of a few of us who need to know these items before we place a order. Thank you

[infamousq]

Originally Posted by boots

Now the most famous questions of all Ams. How does it drive, pull, sound compared to before. And the best part---- cost for us poor people who are standing in line to order. I know of a few of us who need to know these items before we place a order. Thank you

I second your statement!!!

[yiango13]

Eric I have catless AMS downpipes not catted. Gains look great! Cant wait to drive it!

[exmowner]

Originally Posted by AMS ALPHA

We are physically hooking up to the ECU using some pretty complex tools and software but the actual ECU itself is not modified...simply remapped here. The process had two major hurdles. The first was unlocking the encryption. That has taken a great deal of time. The second is knowing/defining all the maps within the ECU. This also takes a great deal of time as you have to determine not only what each map does but how it communicates with other maps. Making one change could effect several other maps and negate what you are doing...oh and its all in German too lol.

I started a new thread about the gains including posting a dyno graph

http://f10.m5post.com/forums/showthr...9#post17220389

First let me say awesome work guys!

Few questions, will your tune address the CEL from adding your catless DP's?

And lastly when can I send my DME'S in?

[RPiM5]

Originally Posted by AMS ALPHA

We are physically hooking up to the ECU using some pretty complex tools and software but the actual ECU itself is not modified...simply remapped here. The process had two major hurdles. The first was unlocking the encryption. That has taken a great deal of time. The second is knowing/defining all the maps within the ECU. This also takes a great deal of time as you have to determine not only what each map does but how it communicates with other maps. Making one change could effect several other maps and negate what you are doing...oh and its all in German too lol.

I started a new thread about the gains including posting a dyno graph

http://f10.m5post.com/forums/showthr...9#post17220389

So you are saying that you have fully cracked the 1056bit encryption on the ECU software? This is the first open claim I have heard of this. NO tuner, including the German ones to my knowledge has claimed that they have fully broken the encryption and actually shown evidence that they have done so, to the public. I assumed that breaking the encryption would have allowed for flash tuning via the OBD2 port. Sounds like in order to connect directly to the ECU, you have to physically open the ECU boxes, correct? Please forgive my naivete, I have not attempted to physically break open my ECU's or tried to directly connect a computer to them before. I think it's great if you guys have truly fully broken the encryption, but like everything else in life, I'd like to see some rock hard evidence. Perhaps an open source session outlining exactly how you guys are manipulating the data on the ECU's? Additionally, determining the maps without a set of instructions, blueprints, or the manual would be extremely complex. I can see that taking an extremely long time to do.