700+WHP No BCM, No Meth

[Edmguy11]

Hey guys, I know there are a million threads like this.... I suppose another one couldn't hurt.

I am just looking for examples of people able to achieve 700 WHP + without using the BCM.

I am planning my next upgrade, in which I will be removing the Jb4 stage 1 and going to a full flash. Its not worth for me to do this unless I am going to achieve 700 WHP +, as I am assuming I am sitting at around 600 - 620 WHP with the STage 1 5.0 setting + Intake/catback exhaust.

However what I am struggling with is I do not see any examples of people achieving this power level, without stacking with the BCM or getting a custom dyno tune.


Since I live in Edmonton Alberta the only option I have is to ship my ECU's to a tuner in the states or Europe for flash.

Any realistic chance of me hitting this power level without the Custom Dyno Tweaking, or stacking with a BCM ??

P.S not too keen on downpipes unless absolutely required.... my car sounds awesome as is dont want to screw with it.

[Mike@N54Tuning.com]

There is no such thing as a JB4 Stage1. You have a Stage1. The flash only maps are limited to around 22psi and I don't think you'll hit 700whp at such a low boost level.

Mike

[Edmguy11]

Originally Posted by Mike@N54Tuning.com

There is no such thing as a JB4 Stage1. You have a Stage1. The flash only maps are limited to around 22psi and I don't think you'll hit 700whp at such a low boost level.

Mike

I seen Mission Performance advertising that upgrading tmap sensors has allowed them to accomplish similar results as stacking with Jb4+BCM.

[apexlocator]

I was going to mention Mission Performance. Alex says changing out the stock 3 bar map sensors to 3.5 bar will allow him to flash the tune past 22psi. He did my flash and got me to 678whp with stock downpipes. I'm local to him and was planning on this in the next few months after I figure out my water/meth setup.

edit: I only plan on running water injection at first as I dont want to mess with storing meth in my garage, and also because I have a couple E85 pumps close to my house.

[boots]

Lol. No need to ship. Contact HC Performance for those results you are asking about. Yes changing out the map sensor will get you there. No stacking involved. Just a good ol tune.

[13M5F10]

Agreed with boots. Halim and I know DME have both hit over 700w without the BCM. I believe it was 710-720 max on stock turbos .... Save up some extra monies for clutches. Haha

[boots]

Yes it's about there on stock turbos. Shit even wo dipping up into the 700 area these cars are fast as fuck. I laugh at my old tune.

[boots]

I forgot to say that w dp it adds power sooo if even though you like the sound of your car wo dp it will so d amazing with a set on plus the added hp

[Lerxst M4]

Originally Posted by boots

Lol. No need to ship. Contact HC Performance for those results you are asking about. Yes changing out the map sensor will get you there. No stacking involved. Just a good ol tune.

Hey B. If the ECU has not already been unlocked don't you still either have to ship it the first time, or go somewhere to have them removed and drilled first?

[boots]

Yes it has to be unlocked first. Then it can be done through the obll port w Halim.

[scott135i]

Originally Posted by Lennon997

enzo tuning any good?

NOPE

[TrevorM3]

Originally Posted by scott135i

NOPE

lmao


i'm just laughing at the "NOPE" in caps.


i did however hear not so great things about them from a buddy who used to live up in the NE

[lunden]

Originally Posted by Mike@N54Tuning.com

There is no such thing as a JB4 Stage1. You have a Stage1. The flash only maps are limited to around 22psi and I don't think you'll hit 700whp at such a low boost level.

Mike

lol you are wrong sir Flash maps are NOT limited to 22 psi!

[A Frankfurt]

I contacted Alex with Mission Performance for some tuning solution's for my BMW clients.

Recently on a F06 M6 I sent out the DME's to Alex.
I meanwhile installed the 3.5MBar sensors in the intake manifold and replaced the spark plugs with a smaller gap.
Vehicle has catless downpipes only aside from the sensors.
Put down over 700WHP on a Dynojet.

Alex is great to work with. I already have other BMW projects in the works with him currently.

[kevn23]

Originally Posted by A Frankfurt

I contacted Alex with Mission Performance for some tuning solution's for my BMW clients.

Recently on a F06 M6 I sent out the DME's to Alex.
I meanwhile installed the 3.5MBar sensors in the intake manifold and replaced the spark plugs with a smaller gap.
Vehicle has catless downpipes only aside from the sensors.
Put down over 700WHP on a Dynojet.

Alex is great to work with. I already have other BMW projects in the works with him currently.

What's the Air/Fuel ratio and timing? Hard to judge a tune just on hp #s.

[A Frankfurt]

Originally Posted by kevn23

What's the Air/Fuel ratio and timing? Hard to judge a tune just on hp #s.

I'm preparing a write up to show all that was done with Mission Performance and my shop.
I have the runs logged to show air/fuel and everything else that is important.
Car runs great and this a great powerful running engine.
Next is SSP DCT clutches and Pure upgrade turbos.

[wakeofdeath]

Originally Posted by A Frankfurt

I contacted Alex with Mission Performance for some tuning solution's for my BMW clients.

Recently on a F06 M6 I sent out the DME's to Alex.
I meanwhile installed the 3.5MBar sensors in the intake manifold and replaced the spark plugs with a smaller gap.
Vehicle has catless downpipes only aside from the sensors.
Put down over 700WHP on a Dynojet.

Alex is great to work with. I already have other BMW projects in the works with him currently.

+1 MissionPerformance on a roll, lots of haters here and best insult is showing his proven work.

[A Frankfurt]

Originally Posted by wakeofdeath

+1 MissionPerformance on a roll, lots of haters here and best insult is showing his proven work.

I'm local to Alex and have some select BMW projects that we are currently working on to show the forum what is possible on different platforms.

There are always gonna be haters. But everyone needs them right ?! lol

[MissionPerformance]

Originally Posted by Mike@N54Tuning.com

There is no such thing as a JB4 Stage1. You have a Stage1. The flash only maps are limited to around 22psi and I don't think you'll hit 700whp at such a low boost level.

Mike

Flash tuning is limited to 22psi unless you upgrade to stage 2 flash with 3.5bar MAP sensors. We have few cars running right now with 24-26lb of boost without JB4 or any other piggybacks

[wakeofdeath]

Originally Posted by MissionPerformance

Flash tuning is limited to 22psi unless you upgrade to stage 2 flash with 3.5bar MAP sensors. We have few cars running right now with 24-26lb of boost without JB4 or any other piggybacks

Are those the Bahrain/Middle East cars you posted or here in the states?

[MissionPerformance]

Which ones? We have cars running our 3.5 sensors up here in the states and in middle east

[13M5F10]

Originally Posted by wakeofdeath

+1 MissionPerformance on a roll, lots of haters here and best insult is showing his proven work.

I don't see any haters here ... Get out of here with that non sense. Everyone has a choice to go with whoever they want to go with. If yours is MP, go for it. Nothing wrong with that.