What to expect from the last years of M5 F10 production?

[Blackraven]

In just a few more years, BMW will stop production of the M5 F10 production in order to make way for the next-generation model.

Until then, there are probably 1-3 more annual production cycles left.

Personally, here's what I hope BMW can add for future updates:
1) Turn signal mirrors
2) 12.3 Full LCD instrument panel
3) Ceramic Controls (like in the 6 series and 7 series)

How about you guys? Any features you'd like to see added to the M5 F10 before it reaches End-of-life?

[Propofoln]

AWD

[IshR]

Woh those are big changes (making the car 5 inches shorter and 3 inches wider) to ask for with a current car! (Referring to a post which has been deleted)
I think they should include LED headlights as standard, considering that the m5 is a flagship model.

[elitex]

I don't think there will be much added. Maybe new I drive software or some options packages updates.

[Blackraven]

Originally Posted by LakewoodLonghorn

AWD

It might be a hard challenge to implement xDrive AWD as a last-minute addition for the M5 F10.............although some early pre-production prototypes back in 2011 were equipped with AWD.

Implementation, time, resources and testing will be the key determinants here.

That being said:

Originally Posted by IshR

Woh those are big changes to ask for with a current car!

Tbh, some of these changes aren't big at all.

Heck you can even find some of these features in a regular 5 series.

1) Turn Signal Mirrors

The M3 and M4 have them....so I believe BMW can just get from the parts bin and call it a day



2) Another example, OPTION 6WB





The 520d cars that arrive in our local BMW showrooms now come with it.

Hence I believe that BMW has no excuse not to add this in future updates for the M5 F10 since it is after all the flagship 5 series model

3) Ceramic Controls

Anyone who came from a 7er or even a regular 6 series knows how much awesomeness Ceramic Controls add to the table.

These help take luxury and high-end interior to another level



I would love to see Ceramic Controls make it to the M5.

I think they should include LED headlights as standard, considering that the m5 is a flagship model.

Me too.

I see more and more mass-market cars getting LED front headlights these days (from Hondas and now Chevrolet). Hence the only logical thing to do is to make OPTION 552............not an option anymore but rather as standard equipment.

I think in the M6, Adaptive LED front headlamps are standard these days.


Still my presumption is that BMW may need an incentive to do so (from a manufacturer standpoint). They would probably wait for BMW Laserlight to be introduced in the next-gen 7 series.

That would give them economies of scale as well as free some inventory.

[AT LAW]

I personally do not like the digital dash at all.
It looks too gimmicky for a $100k plus plus vehicle.

I had it on my 2015 750i for a short time and did not like it.
Additionally, I the gas gauge needle it too short and difficult to read.

There is something about the analogue gauges that look more refined, sporty, and, frankly, more costly.

[Blackraven]

Originally Posted by AT LAW

I personally do not like the digital dash at all.
It looks too gimmicky for a $100k plus plus vehicle.

I had it on my 2015 750i for a short time and did not like it.
Additionally, I the gas gauge needle it too short and difficult to read.

There is something about the analogue gauges that look more refined, sporty, and, frankly, more costly.

Point taken

However, digital instrument gauges are the future. We are seeing this in everything from Benz (entire S class lineup) and it is spreading within the Jaguar lineup (from the XJ and the new-gen XF). Heck, Chrysler Group and Ford Group are starting to adopt it as well step-by-step.

There are much more things that you can display with digital dashboards..........plus you can configure them with adjustable and configurable displays (depending on the drive mode and situation). Option 6WB is already an example of that in the case of BMW.........and future BMW cars that will use the digital dash will feature even greater amount of information as well as the flexibility on how it is displayed and presented.

In the next few decades, analog instrumentation will be a thing of the past..........and will only be found in antique cars.

Like it or not, this is the future....

[richard in NC]

The Corvette is a good example with 3 cluster displays based on the track mode setting. Cool but I think the good analog gauges are just fine in the M5 plus the heads up display contains the cool displays in M mode.

[bronch]

Originally Posted by richard in NC

The Corvette is a good example with 3 cluster displays based on the track mode setting. Cool but I think the good analog gauges are just fine in the M5 plus the heads up display contains the cool displays in M mode.

I agree, but I actually like the LCD gauges when they're done well. Like the one you showed. Some examples are pretty cheesy. But, if they're sporty, I'm all in. It's really not that big of a change from analogue in my opinion as even analogue is a representation. Digital will perhaps be more precise. I just can't imagine that BMW would put these displays or AWD in a late model F10 and take away from the next Gx series though.

[yamhenliu]

Woh those are big changes to ask for with a current car!

[MSportDC]

Originally Posted by AT LAW

...

There is something about the analogue gauges that look more refined, sporty, and, frankly, more costly.

^ THIS. I entirely agree about the costly part - like a finely-crafted Swiss mechanical watch movement versus a modern, more gimmicky, plastic, digital G-Shock Casio watch.

I prefer the former.

[stealth.pilot]

I doubt there will be any more updates. 2016 is last model year for F10 M5.

[SteveC]

The usual strategy for the last year of a model run is:

Custom paint colours with matching interior leather
Different wheels
Add one or another package as a standard, no cost option
Give them a new name to match the free package like
M5 - Competition (free Competition pack)
M5 Le Mans (some sort of Blue Colour scheme)
M5 Monaco (2 tone color scheme with matching 20' painted wheels)

In other words, spend some money to make them exclusive, eye catching and better value without having to make any real investment on the production side.

[N.S.A]

The M5 is pretty much perfect. But bmw should add:

a carbon fiber center piece for the rear diffuser,

Carbon fiber trims,

on all M cars they need to add better gas,brake, foot rest pedals

on all m cars like the 6 series and 7 series and X series digital gages

[IshR]

I wasn't referring to your post blackraven regarding changes being too big.

There was another post below yours which seems to have dissapeared (deleted). It suggested the car should be made 5 inches shorter and 3 inches wider.

Your suggestions are indeed very possible.

[RPiM5]

There won't be any major changes for the 2016 and 2017 model years. I speculate that production will end in December 2016 with a short production run of 2017 M5's from July 2016 thru December 2016, just like what happened with the 2010 E60 M5's. The new G30 5-Series will hit the streets in early 2017 I'm guessing, with the gradual phase out of the F10 5-Series generation from Spring next year to December of 2016.

Before that happens though we will see the next generation 7-Series unveiled at the autoshow and hit the streets which will give us some large clues as the design direction of the next 5-Series. We already know about the Bowers and Wilkins High End Sound System upgrade and the touchscreen iDrive and air-motion controlled iDrive technology that will be in the next 7-Series and will probably also come standard on the next M5.

There will be minor updates to the last 2 model years (2016 & 2017) of the F10 M5, but I have no idea what they might be. For the 2009 model E60 M5, BMW changed the side view mirrors and updated the iDrive controller, as well as made some updates to the S85 V10 engine that no one knew about for a long time. For the 2010 model E60 M5, they pretty much just updated the iDrive to the latest version and that was it. So I don't expect there to be too many more updates from what we now have in the 2015 model M5. The 2016 M5's will start production this July, which is only a few months away and I expect that they will release the technical details and updates in June.

In the world of ///M, all we have to look forward to in the short term now that the new X5M/X6M are out is the LCI F8x M3/M4, the first in class BMW ///M2, and maybe some oddballs like the X4///M and the X1///M. The new BMW ///M770i should be interesting too. I think that it was also confirmed that the new GXX 760i version of the 7-Series will retain the V12 engine. Also the next generation G30 550i (or maybe 560i? whatever they are going to call it) should also be interesting since it is rumored that it will use a Quad Turbo Inline 6 engine. Like I have said before, the F10 M5 was the first ///M car to utilize a non-bespoke ///M engine in an bonefide ///M car, the N63. If this trend continues and the rumors about the next GXX 550i are true that it will use a 6 cyl engine, then there is a real possibility that the next M5 may use the same engine and that ///M will simply tune it, and that will be very disappointing for me personally.

[Dionysus]

Originally Posted by IshR

I wasn't referring to your post blackraven regarding changes being too big.

There was another post below yours which seems to have dissapeared (deleted). It suggested the car should be made 5 inches shorter and 3 inches wider.

Your suggestions are indeed very possible.

Not sure if the other post was in error (referring to next gen) or in jest in response to the AWD comment?

OPs suggestions are also unlikely IMO, as they require re-tooling: -

1) Turn signal mirrors - M5/6 mirrors are low volume + the current side repeaters are an M-specific feature
3) Ceramic Controls (like in the 6 series and 7 series) - DCT selector is low volume

6WB could be a feasible option, however, having had it, I'm in the 'prefer analogue dials' camp. 6WB needs more work IMO; small details such as the Nav directions in the centre of the screen only being displayed if the HUD Nav isn't displayed are irksome. The novelty of the switching displays with drive mode wore thin pretty quickly. Don't get me started on the 6WB response times/lag (again ). Some positives are:

• The display does have a v. high definition and doesn't look low quality
• The magnifying function is useful if you don't use your HUD digital display
• The fuel/temp dial sweep >180 degrees, hence have greater granularity (may be able to see the fuel gauge move on an M5).

If the end user could configure 6WB to a greater extent & display more information at the same time, I would reconsider. More likely to be one they'll prefect for the next gen 5 series.

IMO, the F10 M5 has aged pretty well and is still a desirable car, so I can't see CP, etc., being offered for free in the UK.

Although likely to vary by market, we'll probably see some new colours. The M6GC LCI in the UK is now offered with frozen brilliant white as a £4K option...

[Dionysus]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

In the world of ///M, all we have to look forward to in the short term now that the new X5M/X6M are out is the LCI F8x M3/M4, the first in class BMW ///M2, and maybe some oddballs like the X4///M and the X1///M.

+1. M GmbH have other things to concentrate on than R&D for minor updates to the F10 M5.

[Neil McRae]

there won't be any significant updates to the car in my view. It'll be limited editions with special paint jobs and the 30 years ECU settings - thats it.

I would like to keep the mechanical gauges but have are more configuration centre upper and lower section of the dash configurable.

Neil.

[RPiM5]

Originally Posted by Dionysus

+1. M GmbH have other things to concentrate on than R&D for minor updates to the F10 M5.

Exactly. Even the updates to the 2009 and 2010 M5's had nothing to do with performance, only to do with updates that BMW was making to the rest of the 5-Series line up.

[Jay-K]

I think they would rather be more concentrated towards the new M5 development instead of revising the existing model.

[Ninong]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

There won't be any major changes for the 2016 and 2017 model years. I speculate that production will end in December 2016...

The 2016 F10 M5 has an SOP (start of production) in July 2015. It has a 16-month production run and EOP (end of production) is October 2016.

As far as AWD is concerned, it won't appear on the F10 M5 because BMW has repeatedly said it won't. It will almost certainly appear on the G30 M5 cars because the new head of BMW M GmbH (the Audi guy) has hinted very strongly that it will but he doesn't want to call it AWD. I guess the only question is whether it will be optional or standard. If optional, when will it appear? Will it be available with first production? If it's standard, it will almost certainly be part of the new G30 M5 design from the beginning. I don't think they have given any indication of which way they are leaning, but they have said it is inevitable if they want to increase power and torque. My guess, and it's just a guess, is that it will be standard from the beginning but they will call it rear wheel drive with extra traction. Seriously. They will definitely find a way to avoid calling it AWD. Wait and see.

The new G30 5-Series will hit the streets in early 2017 I'm guessing...

I'm pretty sure production of 2017 G30 5-series cars for demo and initial dealer stock begins in November 2016 with regular production following one month later. I believe they intend to begin G30 M5 production simultaneously with the rest of the G30 5-series models.

Before that happens though we will see the next generation 7-Series unveiled at the autoshow and hit the streets which will give us some large clues as the design direction of the next 5-Series.

The new 2016 7-series will be unveiled at the Frankfort Auto Show, which is late September 2015. Production of the G12 740Li and G12 750Lxi is scheduled for July 2015 with start of regular production August 2015. The G12 750Li begins production in November 2015. Is the B&W sound system standard? I'm beginning to think it might be and that it might be either standard or optional on the M5. I wonder what the differences will be between the Luxury G12 and the M Sport G12, other than suspension?

There will be minor updates to the last 2 model years (2016 & 2017) of the F10 M5, but I have no idea what they might be.

I don't think there is going to be a 2017 F10 M5. Have you heard something indicating that there will be?