Manual Transmission F10 M5 Respotted Just Ahead of US Orders. What Will You Order?

[Frosty]

M6T!!!


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[JC919]

Originally Posted by ddmerino

Personally, I believe BMW put in the DCT as they were fearful that in the hands of amateurs and inexperienced manual shift users, a mismatched shifting may destroy the transmission as the car has so much power. Although there is usually some synching done in all manual transmissions, there is always that possibility. Anyway, I do believe BMW has worked it out with the new M5 that manual transmission would work just right. In fact that's what BMW M President Dr. Nitschke has said as a reply when asked about manual transmission for the U.S. market.

But he also said that it compromises the car.

[Onurleft]

Originally Posted by JC919

The e9x M3 was designed around both gearboxes, while like the e60 M5, the F10 was not. The e60 M5 with a manual was absolute shit and I don't really believe the F10 will be much better. If it was they would have offered the option to the rest of the world.

It pains me to say this as I've never even liked DCT in the M3, but after a lot of research into the issue, I've made my decision.

This is actually incorrect, the E60 M5 was designed around the SMG and the 6 speed was an after thought, as it did come later in the production year.

Unlike the E60 M5, the F10 M5 has torque. So having an extra gear to utilize that high peak power/torque isn't (on the E60 and E92) isn't as effective on a car that has power and torque everywhere. In other words having much tighter gearing won't benefit the F10 as much as it did the E60 and E92.

Also, before disregarding the latter as "trash" MotorTrends fastest 1/4 mile test was achieved with the 6 speed E60 M5 (12.5@115) and the current world record for the E92 M3 in the 1/4 mile is held by a 6 speed car (12.3@114.9) despite them having an clear advantage from a rolling start

[berk]

Originally Posted by Mista_Vanquish

So, is there a mod to remove the CDV like what is shown here: http://www.zeckhausen.com/cdv.htm

Yeah but it is still not the same feeling as european spec cars! Even though with removed cdv there is still restriction. if u drive the eu. Spec and us spec cars, u will understand what im talking about.
As a result i would choose dct in us!

[e92_m3]

Driving around town and on the Bay Area backroads, a 6MT M5 would be nice.

[KG3356MT]

DCT no question.

[kgroschi]

Originally Posted by JC919

The car was designed around the DCT, with the 6MT as an after thought to satisfy the American market. After a ton of research into the decision (and trust me, there are few more hardcore 6MT guys out there), I am going with the DCT as I fear spec'ing otherwise will compromise the car.

The e9x M3 was designed around both gearboxes, while like the e60 M5, the F10 was not. The e60 M5 with a manual was absolute shit and I don't really believe the F10 will be much better. If it was they would have offered the option to the rest of the world.

It pains me to say this as I've never even liked DCT in the M3, but after a lot of research into the issue, I've made my decision.

I absolutely agree with you. They just want to satisfy the American rednecks (not meant in a offensive way) that are just hardcore manual because they only know automatic or manual. However this car (just like the E60 and the SMG) will only work right with the DCT. It was designed for the DCT. Now, I was a huge fan of the SMG and I also love manuals but I don't like DCT much. However this is the only way I would take this car because it's what makes it so advanced and so fast.

[Karazy]

If the M5 was in my future it would be a Manual without a doubt. Don't take away the fun ever BMW. Any tard can drive two pedals. No skill required.

[mapezzul]

Originally Posted by JC919

The car was designed around the DCT, with the 6MT as an after thought to satisfy the American market. After a ton of research into the decision (and trust me, there are few more hardcore 6MT guys out there), I am going with the DCT as I fear spec'ing otherwise will compromise the car.

The e9x M3 was designed around both gearboxes, while like the e60 M5, the F10 was not. The e60 M5 with a manual was absolute shit and I don't really believe the F10 will be much better. If it was they would have offered the option to the rest of the world.

It pains me to say this as I've never even liked DCT in the M3, but after a lot of research into the issue, I've made my decision.

The DCT in the M5 is much better sorted than the M3 especially at low speeds. It is money. The CDV will save the clutch in the M5 from many a crappy shifter as will the lock out feature that should prevent most bad shifts.

I know a lot has been said that the manual is the way to go for hardcore drivers- but with all that torque and the fact the transmission is going to by nature need to be clunky (how else can they lock it out?) I can't see how people want it in such a big beast of a car. It will be like driving a tractor trailer (lol).

I have talked to the M engineers about this to the point I have no idea why they still even bother to offer it and neither do they.... the NA market still sells them but they can't sell manuals in regular models (it is hysterical) even though the take rate is still sub 15% for it in the M5.

[mapezzul]

Originally Posted by Ka razy

If the M5 was in my future it would be a Manual without a doubt. Don't take away the fun ever BMW. Any tard can drive two pedals. No skill required.

Really? I have seen many people crash two pedal cars at high speeds.

[KevinM]

I don't know...

I'm actually not currently planning on buying the F10 M5 as it is now a bit larger than I need, but the same issue is going to come up for me with the FXX M3. I've not driven an automatic as a daily driver since high school (25+ years ago).

I'd lean towards a manual, but DCT technology has certainly come a long way from the automatics of yore. As a daily driver prospect, I worry a bit about DCT in term of long-term driver engagement - will I get bored of it, will I (gasp) actually put it in "auto" mode and just drive?! I also worry about long-term reliability and cost, as I tend to keep my cars for a while!

[Karazy]

Originally Posted by mapezzul

Really? I have seen many people crash two pedal cars at high speeds.

Just Imagine them with a third pedal added!

[Mr. ///M3 RD]

Originally Posted by Jason

Any of our North American members plan on ordering their M5 with manual transmission?

Please vote in the poll above and respond letting us know what transmission you're planning to order.

Jason, will the engine have a dip stick? or no dip stick?

Thanks

Rolf

[Mr. ///M3 RD]

Originally Posted by KevinM

I don't know...

I'm actually not currently planning on buying the F10 M5 as it is now a bit larger than I need, but the same issue is going to come up for me with the FXX M3. I've not driven an automatic as a daily driver since high school (25+ years ago).

I'd lean towards a manual, but DCT technology has certainly come a long way from the automatics of yore. As a daily driver prospect, I worry a bit about DCT in term of long-term driver engagement - will I get bored of it, will I (gasp) actually put it in "auto" mode and just drive?! I also worry about long-term reliability and cost, as I tend to keep my cars for a while!

Take it from me M-DCT is great I've had 2 MT M3's before the one I have now and love it. It will not get boring at all you still have the stick (back and forth) plus you have the peddles to play with so no fear of boring

[bucket328]

Gotta be a 6speed! Don't care if its slightly slower, I wanna drive the car!! I dont wanna be driven

[ddmerino]

Originally Posted by bucket328

Gotta be a 6speed! Don't care if its slightly slower, I wanna drive the car!! I dont wanna be driven

I am with you man. That's what makes the American market quite different. Let the consumer decide and not let the manufacturer decide for him/her! Individualism is what is emphasized in the U.S. as opposed to "going with the flow" or "follow the trend" or "do what is prescribed" (which could be better) which most of the world seem to follow.

[mapezzul]

Originally Posted by Alter Peter

Jason, will the engine have a dip stick? or no dip stick?

Thanks

Rolf

BMW hasn't offered a dipstick outside of diesels for a while now. No dipstick.

[kgroschi]

Originally Posted by ddmerino

I am with you man. That's what makes the American market quite different. Let the consumer decide and not let the manufacturer decide for him/her! Individualism is what is emphasized in the U.S. as opposed to "going with the flow" or "follow the trend" or "do what is prescribed" (which could be better) which most of the world seem to follow.

No it's about that in Germany for example, every 17-year-old girl knows how to drive manual. It's not considered art like it is here in the States. Driving manual is nothing special over there. Here you are considered a real man which is as ridiculous as the big ass trucks you see around sometimes.
The rest of the world has just learned that DCT has nothing to do with an automatic gearbox and that still you decide in which gear you are cruising along (unless you choose to drive in the automatic mode).

Now don't get me wrong. I love manual transmissions in certain cars (like Porsche's for example) It is fun to downshift with some double clutch (if that is the correct word). But it's not working as well in every car and as many people posted before, one wrong shift and the tranny is done.

So I'd consider to reconsider.

[Jblack4083]

Going along with what the poster above me said:

It seems America has a complex associated with knowing how to drive a manual. I'll even go further and say its a manhood complex. Its really not that difficult!

[KG3356MT]

Originally Posted by Jblack4083

Going along with what the poster above me said:

It seems America has a complex associated with knowing how to drive a manual. I'll even go further and say its a manhood complex. Its really not that difficult!

I agree

[JasonCSU]

If I was in the financial position to purchase a new M5, it would certainly be a 6MT model.

[mestes1999]

6MT! Having a powerful V8 without being able to rev the engine is a travesty.

I have the DCT in my e60 550i, but every day I miss being able to rev the engine. Especially after adding the RPi exhaust. ::

I think it's odd that they 'added the MT for Americans,' considering a much higher percentage of European cars are MT than in the US. Can anyone elaborate on this?