Motor Trend Video: 2014 M5 Competition vs 2014 E63 AMG S

[kgroschi]

I have driven so many AMG's (however not the very latest E63 AMG facelift) and all I gotta say is: AMG LOL.

[a burrito]

Originally Posted by URBAN LEGEND

This Benz will be on fire. Very easily tuned as well, unlike our M5. The Benz will rule on the streets.

+1.. AMG's move to AWD was incredibly smart. The light feeling they are talking about sounds like AMG has taken the time to create their version of torque vectoring. The AMG looks more grown up, cheaper fully loaded than the m5, and has supercar territory straight line speed. One white on red E63 AMG S for me please...

[Tom C]

Originally Posted by mainly

i dont get the weights , wasnt the pre AWD E63 only like 4100 lbs and change?

and now with AWD its over 4500???

AWD added 400 lbs???

According to this test, the '12/'13 RWD E63's curb weight was 4,233lbs:

http://media.caranddriver.com/files/...-e63-amg-1.pdf

So it looks like it gained almost 300lbs in the process.

[Vic55]

Originally Posted by Tom C

According to this test, the '12/'13 RWD E63's curb weight was 4,233lbs:

http://media.caranddriver.com/files/...-e63-amg-1.pdf

So it looks like it gained almost 300lbs in the process.

The Hometown Buffet in Affalterbach has some good stuff.

[Tom C]

Originally Posted by Vic55

The Hometown Buffet in Affalterbach has some good stuff.

Hey whatever schnitzel they have been feeding it...it hasn't hampered its handling prowess...kudos to AMG

[wilstave]

can't stand these two clowns

[ybbiz34]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

Yes I realized that, and no one here is more disappointed than me, than BMW's lackluster differences between an LCI and a non-LCI on the F10 5-Series. The E60 LCI was so many more changes than the E60 non-LCI. When Mercedes "catches up" to the next generation GXX M5, I'm sure they'll give ///M a run for their money just like they always do. The M5 will still be the benchmark though.

When confronted with the choice of either the M5 or the E63, you can't choose poorly.

Originally Posted by kgroschi

I have driven so many AMG's (however not the very latest E63 AMG facelift) and all I gotta say is: AMG LOL.

Which AMGs have you driven? Model and year would be great.

As I mentioned earlier, I've driven the various E9X M3 variants multiple times over the years. When my F30 M Sport 335i wasn't living up to my expectations (despite pouring absurd amounts of money into M Performance products), I went car shopping.

I test drove an E92 M3 (I had driven the E92 M3 at least 5 times prior to this test drive) and was very impressed.

I then drove a friend's 2012 (i.e., LCI) C63 (my only prior seat time in a C63 was way back in 2009 for a dealer test drive). After that drive, I immediately called my local MB dealer to either order a '13 model or snag one that was unaccounted for at the port in Baltimore. It ticked all the same boxes for me as the M3 but exceeded the M3 in terms of power delivery and fun factor. I also much preferred the C63's interior but that preference is subjective.

When the lease on my '13 C63 is up I will drive the new F80 M3/M4 and the new C63. The badge won't make my decision; the drive will.

That's how good AMG has become, in my humble opinion. There once was a time where AMG made merely straight-line monsters and the boys at the M division made complete, well-rounded cars. Well, now they both churn out excellent performance road cars and I'd be foolish and myopic to not consider the offerings from both companies.

[Vic55]

Originally Posted by Tom C

Hey whatever schnitzel they have been feeding it...it hasn't hampered its handling prowess...kudos to AMG

I agree, the car is impressive. Check out this run Tom- a non S but surely tuned?

[Matski]

M5 all day everyday, why? Because it was harder to get round the fig 8 without spinning.

These are street cars, It's how you get there, not how fast you get there.

Having said that, the AWD might make the AMG the choice for some people just because it's AWD, fair enough, but it is people chasing the numbers offered by different drivetrains that lead BMW Down the path of FWD cars too. Best not forget that.

[BMW1986]

If the M5 was tested with Ceramic Brakes and the AMG no ceramics and the stop distance was "virtually" the same then that's really interesting. If the AMG had ceramics it would have stopped even shorter.

[Tom C]

Originally Posted by BMW1986

If the M5 was tested with Ceramic Brakes and the AMG no ceramics and the stop distance was "virtually" the same then that's really interesting. If the AMG had ceramics it would have stopped even shorter.

Not necessarily true. The main advantage of the carbon ceramic brakes is how they are more resistant to degradation in performance (fade) because of their ability to withstand higher temperatures. However, a number of tests have shown similar stopping distances (and in some cases worse) between CC brakes and the steel ones because the carbon ceramics need to be heated up properly to work to maximum effectiveness. Generally, you aren't going to see much of a benefit in a car magazine's 60-0 braking test. You will see a difference hot lapping a car around a track.

Also, the carbon ceramic rotors are much lighter than steel ones. On the M5 and M6 they lighten each corner by 10+lbs. This is especially helpful as it is a reduction in the rotational mass and unsprung weight.

[M54ccibo]

Originally Posted by Tom C

Not necessarily true. The main advantage of the carbon ceramic brakes is how they are more resistant to degradation in performance (fade) because of their ability to withstand higher temperatures. However, a number of tests have shown similar stopping distances (and in some cases worse) between CC brakes and the steel ones because the carbon ceramics need to be heated up properly to work to maximum effectiveness. Generally, you aren't going to see much of a benefit in a car magazine's 60-0 braking test. You will see a difference hot lapping a car around a track.

Also, the carbon ceramic rotors are much lighter than steel ones. On the M5 and M6 they lighten each corner by 10+lbs. This is especially helpful as it is a reduction in the rotational mass and unsprung weight.

Bingo.

[Ashley Schaeffer BMW]

Anytime BMW loses anything you can count on the fanboys coming out to insult the reviewers and just look stupid and like spoiled children. Newsflash, there will always be a better car out there than the one you currently drive. Stop being so insecure and be happy with the car you have. AMG makes amazing cars, thats a fact.

Also LOL at the guy with a 335i saying "AMG LOL".

[Sportsguy34]

I'm a BMW guy as I currently drive one and love it, but you gotta give credit where it's due. To me the merc front end looks better, faster car, and is cheaper based on this comparo.
The engine will blow people's minds and will kill some supercars as well...
E63 is a monster and I'd love to own one.

[ijahman]

I wouldn't give up my m5 for a E63... Regardless of any review...

[ybbiz34]

Originally Posted by JAM3S

Anytime BMW loses anything you can count on the fanboys coming out to insult the reviewers and just look stupid and like spoiled children. Newsflash, there will always be a better car out there than the one you currently drive. Stop being so insecure and be happy with the car you have. AMG makes amazing cars, thats a fact.

Also LOL at the guy with a 335i saying "AMG LOL".

Originally Posted by ijahman

I wouldn't give up my m5 for a E63... Regardless of any review...

Why would you? The F10 M5 is a fantastic car.

[lasovan]

didn't like the review. you can not put an AWD e63 against the RWD m5. stupid comparo!

[Ashley Schaeffer BMW]

Originally Posted by lasovan

didn't like the review. you can not put an AWD e63 against the RWD m5. stupid comparo!

So we should only compare the M5 against cars it can beat in reviews??

[dimabimmer]

Originally Posted by elitex

Russians!!!
the guy on video said: 240km/h

[elitex]

Originally Posted by Vic55

I agree, the car is impressive. Check out this run Tom- a non S but surely tuned?

WOW!! As impressive as that was, I am a chicken sh!t when it comes down to tuning $100K plus cars. I don't know if merc has a tuner similar to Dinan.

[Falcao]

Originally Posted by dimabimmer

Russians!!!
the guy on video said: 240km/h

TOP END. Video proves what you saw on the MT times. F10 has higher traps so from roll AMG will get the lead but eventually F10 will pass.

They are both great cars and just depends on what one is looking for.

[Vic55]

Originally Posted by elitex

WOW!! As impressive as that was, I am a chicken sh!t when it comes down to tuning $100K plus cars. I don't know if merc has a tuner similar to Dinan.

Dinan....... no not really- no tuner that puts their foot in the manufacturer shoes for the warranty per se on the Benz side. But there are a ton of tuners that are modding the M157TT engine with strong success with the likes of Renntech, Kleemann, etc. and they step up if there are issues from the feedback Ive seen.