Pure Hybrid Turbo on F10 Manual M5

[NightM]

Customization done by AutoCotoure and help of Middlyman Frozen M5

mods are
MSR
Fabwork Downpipe
Meisterschaft Exhaust
UUC Short Shifter
ACM Tune Stage 3
Meth Kit
Jb+BCM (Tweaked by my Tuner Kevin at Precision Tuning in Spotswood NJ)

here is a little preview of what Hybrid Turbos can do still need to do more but this is our first dyno so we expect more from this car soon

DynoJet
stage 3 w/meth flash only put out
640/610 on the wheels


after Hyrbid Turbos
729/745tq Stage 3 ACM tune + JB/BCM

From what I notice and I'm sure a few will chime in. but the turbos spool so loud now too and its crazy loud and i feel that it brings the meisterschaft ALIVE.Theres a lot more potential for this car so well see how it hold up on Stock clutch but that should not be a problem

[A Frankfurt]

Keep us updated on your performance.
Looks very promising.
You'll need a new clutch soon enough. Have been reading of more then a few that needed it with lower gains then what you posted.
Nice work

[NightM]

Originally Posted by Autohaus Frankfurt

Keep us updated on your performance.
Looks very promising.
You'll need a new clutch soon enough. Have been reading of more then a few that needed it with lower gains then what you posted.
Nice work

yes, the key is to see how much we can put power without not changing the clutch since it has only 2k miles on the clutch also, car is 2015 competition package but that doesn't matter since we all have flash tunes anyway.

well keep you posted and I'm sure middly will chime in also

[Lalit@autocouture]

[sdf10m5]

Very nice !

[Dansc]

Great! Lets see what the limit is with these hybrids. I am considering them myself

[allmotor_2000]

Likely 800whp is possible - the main advantage is better flow at moderate boost levels. This system is completely turbine limited so any major gain won't be available until we have the S2.

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by allmotor_2000

Likely 800whp is possible - the main advantage is better flow at moderate boost levels. This system is completely turbine limited so any major gain won't be available until we have the S2.

Nice... But I'm sure 800 whp will break either differential or driveshaft or or axle or DCT ..... or all of them...I doubt this car is designed to be able to tolerate that much twist since you are talking about +1000 NM torque at crank shaft for a DCT with nominal input torque capacity of 700 NM. I admit Germans are conservative and always underrate everything but not over 40% ... IMO

[allmotor_2000]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

Nice... But I'm sure 800 whp will break either differential or driveshaft or or axle or DCT ..... or all of them...I doubt this car is designed to be able to tolerate that much twist since you are talking about +1000 NM torque at crank shaft for a DCT with nominal input torque capacity of 700 NM. I admit Germans are conservative and always underrate everything but not over 40% ... IMO

Maybe - I have been at 800+ torque at the wheels for a while now. Let's see what breaks :-)

[momos750]

Originally Posted by allmotor_2000

Maybe - I have been at 800+ torque at the wheels for a while now. Let's see what breaks :-)

The drive shaft can probably be upgraded to carbon fiber or a stronger steel unit. Other than cooling and clutch upgrades what can be done to the DCT? I haven't seen any upgrades for the differential but maybe cryo-treating the ring gears and parts may strengthen it? Axles can prob be made by DSS or another quality axle company.

[NightM]

Originally Posted by momos750

The drive shaft can probably be upgraded to carbon fiber or a stronger steel unit. Other than cooling and clutch upgrades what can be done to the DCT? I haven't seen any upgrades for the differential but maybe cryo-treating the ring gears and parts may strengthen it? Axles can prob be made by DSS or another quality axle company.

Originally Posted by allmotor_2000

Maybe - I have been at 800+ torque at the wheels for a while now. Let's see what breaks :-)

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

Nice... But I'm sure 800 whp will break either differential or driveshaft or or axle or DCT ..... or all of them...I doubt this car is designed to be able to tolerate that much twist since you are talking about +1000 NM torque at crank shaft for a DCT with nominal input torque capacity of 700 NM. I admit Germans are conservative and always underrate everything but not over 40% ... IMO

Originally Posted by allmotor_2000

Likely 800whp is possible - the main advantage is better flow at moderate boost levels. This system is completely turbine limited so any major gain won't be available until we have the S2.

Originally Posted by Dansc

Great! Lets see what the limit is with these hybrids. I am considering them myself

Originally Posted by sdf10m5

Very nice !

just tested it till a good speed and its holding it very well we were both shocked that hybrid can do this.
made a thread on the "VS" so take a look there.

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by momos750

The drive shaft can probably be upgraded to carbon fiber or a stronger steel unit. Other than cooling and clutch upgrades what can be done to the DCT? I haven't seen any upgrades for the differential but maybe cryo-treating the ring gears and parts may strengthen it? Axles can prob be made by DSS or another quality axle company.

Even if the drive shaft is upgraded then the universal joints must be the next weakest points. Just think about it if you want to Launch the car or to use Launch Control with +1000 NM torque at crank, you are putting +5000 NM torque (at first gear) on driveshaft and joints to move a 4400 lb car! It will be even worse on axles where the torque is even multiple by 3.15 (FD ratio)...

[NightM]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

Even if the drive shaft is upgraded then the universal joints must be the next weakest points. Just think about it if you want to Launch the car or to use Launch Control with +1000 NM torque at crank, you are putting +5000 NM torque (at first gear) on driveshaft and joints to move a 4400 lb car! It will be even worse on axles where the torque is even multiple by 3.15 (FD ratio)...

Yes thats why roll racing is best for our 4400 lb sled ride with air cooled seats! Lol

[m6beast]

Originally Posted by F10M5Manual

Yes thats why roll racing is best for our 4400 lb sled ride with air cooled seats! Lol

Congrats big M! Keep up the good work and can't wait to see your results as you start to push a little more boost!

[M5Rlz]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

Even if the drive shaft is upgraded then the universal joints must be the next weakest points. Just think about it if you want to Launch the car or to use Launch Control with +1000 NM torque at crank, you are putting +5000 NM torque (at first gear) on driveshaft and joints to move a 4400 lb car! It will be even worse on axles where the torque is even multiple by 3.15 (FD ratio)...

I launch all the time on almost 1k wtrq lol I think axles and stubs from DSS and you're good to go... Again shep is doing DCTs for bmws he is a god literally lmao


Thats rated for 1200wtrq and probably safe for 1300-1500wtrrq if you want to take it a little further.
PG V 2.1 Nissan GTR R35 6spd H/C Synchro Set
Dodson Pro Max clutch/Alloy version ( Sheptrans spec )
Dodson Heavy Duty clutch return spring seals x 2
Dodson Heavy Duty clutch return spring retaining clips
Dodson Piston shaft seals
Dodson FWD retainer
Dodson Mechanical lock #1
Dodson Mechanical lock #2
Dodson Selector Piston Shims x 4
Dodson O-ring and seal upgrade kit
Dodson Oil pump shaft upgrade with blueprint
Dodson Reusable transmission filter
6 neodymium magnets
Dodson High temp rear differential oil seal
ShepTrans FWD ball retainer
ShepTrans Billet front thrust plate
Dodson FWD clutch Fluid
Dodson Fwd output seal
DodsonOutput shaft end float shim
Dodson 2,4,6 Thrust bearing circlip
Dodson 1,3,5 Thrust bearing circlip
Oem Nissan transmission pan gasket
Transmission and Rear differential Fill plug gasket (2)
Rear differential drain plug washer x1
Oem Nissan Rear differential side seals
T1 rear diff brace
Arp Rear diff bolt upgrade
Dodson Surge/Baffle kit
Sealer/Loctite
Motul 75/140 FF

Originally Posted by allmotor_2000

Maybe - I have been at 800+ torque at the wheels for a while now. Let's see what breaks :-)

If you did clutch, and axles I don't think you'd see much break. Especially with Dynojet numbers.

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by 335iRlz

I launch all the time on almost 1k wtrq lol I think axles and stubs from DSS and you're good to go... Again shep is doing DCTs for bmws he is a god literally lmao

Hold your horses kid
I was talking about RWD M5 with GETRAG Powershift 7DCI700 DCT rated to 700 NM with very short gear ratio of 4.8 at first gear.
You are talking about an AWD car with 4.05 gear ratio... almost 20% longer than MDCT... Do you know the torque transferred to driveshaft is multiple by gear ratio? and do you know AWD will split the torque to 2 different axle? Your GTR is completely AWD when you launch so the 1000 wtrq you are referring to is split between 2 axle and is transferred via 2 different shaft...
In addition your GTR is about 600 lb lighter than M5... You need to know some basic physic to realize the big difference here ...It's not apple to apple comparison. 1k wtrq at hard acceleration will break the driveshaft or differential or transmission right away if it's on M5/M6... even GTR if it was RWD, unless you completely change everything (differential, transmission, driveshaft, axles, joints,...).... well then it's not the same car anymore LOL

Originally Posted by 335iRlz

Thats rated for 1200wtrq and probably safe for 1300-1500wtrrq if you want to take it a little further.

Wondering how soon you would reach 2000 wtrq

[Skeeter_f10]

Originally Posted by 335iRlz

I launch all the time on almost 1k wtrq lol I think axles and stubs from DSS and you're good to go... Again shep is doing DCTs for bmws he is a god literally lmao


Thats rated for 1200wtrq and probably safe for 1300-1500wtrrq if you want to take it a little further.
PG V 2.1 Nissan GTR R35 6spd H/C Synchro Set
Dodson Pro Max clutch/Alloy version ( Sheptrans spec )
Dodson Heavy Duty clutch return spring seals x 2
Dodson Heavy Duty clutch return spring retaining clips
Dodson Piston shaft seals
Dodson FWD retainer
Dodson Mechanical lock #1
Dodson Mechanical lock #2
Dodson Selector Piston Shims x 4
Dodson O-ring and seal upgrade kit
Dodson Oil pump shaft upgrade with blueprint
Dodson Reusable transmission filter
6 neodymium magnets
Dodson High temp rear differential oil seal
ShepTrans FWD ball retainer
ShepTrans Billet front thrust plate
Dodson FWD clutch Fluid
Dodson Fwd output seal
DodsonOutput shaft end float shim
Dodson 2,4,6 Thrust bearing circlip
Dodson 1,3,5 Thrust bearing circlip
Oem Nissan transmission pan gasket
Transmission and Rear differential Fill plug gasket (2)
Rear differential drain plug washer x1
Oem Nissan Rear differential side seals
T1 rear diff brace
Arp Rear diff bolt upgrade
Dodson Surge/Baffle kit
Sealer/Loctite
Motul 75/140 FF



If you did clutch, and axles I don't think you'd see much break. Especially with Dynojet numbers.

You keep comparing two completely different cars here. The gtr is probably one of the best street/race cars for the money that's out there. I had a Switzer USE gtr and there is no way you can compare the two. The M5 is a luxury family car that is fast, but will never be race car. It will never be what a gtr can be. For 10k you can make a gtr into a monster and it will out perform pretty much any m5. That being said, if you're buying a m5 for a drag/race car, you're wasting your money. We all know your gtr is going to be faster and handle better. I do understand the gtr weighs a lot, but it also has awd which helps a lot. The only downfall of a gtr is that you can basically only fit 2 people in comfortably, it's not a family car, and it's doesn't have the luxury that a m5 has. In 2 1/2 years, I'll most likely pick one up as our daughter will be an adult and we won't need a bigger car haha! I miss the gtr a lot but like I said before, you can't compare these two cars at all.

[M5Rlz]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

Hold your horses kid
I was talking about RWD M5 with GETRAG Powershift 7DCI700 DCT rated to 700 NM with very short gear ratio of 4.8 at first gear.
You are talking about an AWD car with 4.05 gear ratio... almost 20% longer than MDCT... Do you know the torque transferred to driveshaft is multiple by gear ratio? and do you know AWD will split the torque to 2 different axle? Your GTR is completely AWD when you launch so the 1000 wtrq you are referring to is split between 2 axle and is transferred via 2 different shaft...
In addition your GTR is about 600 lb lighter than M5... You need to know some basic physic to realize the big difference here ...It's not apple to apple comparison. 1k wtrq at hard acceleration will break the driveshaft or differential or transmission right away if it's on M5/M6... even GTR if it was RWD, unless you completely change everything (differential, transmission, driveshaft, axles, joints,...).... well then it's not the same car anymore LOL



Wondering how soon you would reach 2000 wtrq

yeah yeah I barely passed biology let alone even begun to attempt physics but thank god I have you here :P

I'm just saying, send it to shep lmao thats the easiest solution lmao.

Depends car starts to become a dud in the 35R sizes, I was going to do top mounts for 1700+ and they advised me not to do it given how it would drive as a street car because it would just not be fun even though it would make power lol

Originally Posted by Skeeter_f10

You keep comparing two completely different cars here. The gtr is probably one of the best street/race cars for the money that's out there. I had a Switzer USE gtr and there is no way you can compare the two. The M5 is a luxury family car that is fast, but will never be race car. It will never be what a gtr can be. For 10k you can make a gtr into a monster and it will out perform pretty much any m5. That being said, if you're buying a m5 for a drag/race car, you're wasting your money. We all know your gtr is going to be faster and handle better. I do understand the gtr weighs a lot, but it also has awd which helps a lot. The only downfall of a gtr is that you can basically only fit 2 people in comfortably, it's not a family car, and it's doesn't have the luxury that a m5 has. In 2 1/2 years, I'll most likely pick one up as our daughter will be an adult and we won't need a bigger car haha! I miss the gtr a lot but like I said before, you can't compare these two cars at all.

I mean I wasn't comparing them... I was just saying if you build the trans with the right people it SHOULD be fine. Tough crowd in here and if you had a USE you were faster than me

[allmotor_2000]

Nobody knows what will break first. If you keep dragging the M5, may break the drivetrain even at moderate boost. If you are roll racing and strive for MPH, you may break the motor.

I do both... something is bound to break!

[M5Rlz]

Originally Posted by allmotor_2000

Nobody knows what will break first. If you keep dragging the M5, may break the drivetrain even at moderate boost. If you are roll racing and strive for MPH, you may break the motor.

I do both... something is bound to break!

Probably going to need gears once you start getting over a true 750wtq as M6-Coupe said unless those gears are just unusually strong they should start going real quick.

750wtrq is like 6 something on a mustang which should be fine.

[SECOND2NONE]

any ideas what the numbers would be on 93 only. also what the max boost that can be run on pump gas

[M5Rlz]

Originally Posted by SECOND2NONE

any ideas what the numbers would be on 93 only. also what the max boost that can be run on pump gas

I'd say 50-100whp loss and roughly the same amount of torque loss between race gas+meth compared to just straight 93