Highest Mileage F10?

[dbworld4k]

Hello gents,

Former E39 M5 owner looking for another M car and I've been given a chance to get into a CPO 2012 M5 (yup, we got the M5s in 2012 up here!) with warranty until Oct 24, 2018 - basically 2.5 years. The car is a steal, although it doesn't have B&O sound but it does have Exec. It's currently at 24k miles, so relatively low mileage.

I want to hear from those that have owned their cars for quite some time and actually put tens of thousands of miles on them as daily drivers.

What issues have you run into? What big repairs has your daily driven M5 seen as a result of racking up the miles?

[bruza]

From what I've read here, the F10 is a pretty reliable machine.

As for mileage, I've seen other members in the mid 60k range.

[13M5F10]

I think boots has around 80k and drives it like he stole it.

[DCT OFF]

74,000 still running strong no problems.

[johntomferg]

69000+ on 2013 m5 delivered in Oct 2012...
zero reliability issues.
only warranty action was to replace front wheel bearings very early on and then later the additional heatshielding for the coolant clamps.
maintenance:
oil changes, brake fluid changes, pads, plugs, coils packs, and tires.

very reliable car!

[RPiM5]

I know Boots has over 80k by now. I'm almost at 65k myself. I thought I drive a lot, but Boots is a driving maniac. Lol!

[ChrisNich117]

You're steering wheel may vibrate like crazy. It was a bug they fixed with the LCI and it was software related. Me and a few of my friends had the same issue and it was horrible. We each traded our cars in for LCI models. Make sure you switch between the 3 settings for the steering feel and take it on the highway at speeds above 70. It happens when you switch in and out of M mode. The BMW Servotronic software was to blame. Not all of them had it but you'll find several old threads with regards to that issue. Other than that the car is built like a tank.

[RPiM5]

Originally Posted by ChrisNich117

You're steering wheel may vibrate like crazy. It was a bug they fixed with the LCI and it was software related. Me and a few of my friends had the same issue and it was horrible. We each traded our cars in for LCI models. Make sure you switch between the 3 settings for the steering feel and take it on the highway at speeds above 70. It happens when you switch in and out of M mode. The BMW Servotronic software was to blame. Not all of them had it but you'll find several old threads with regards to that issue. Other than that the car is built like a tank.

Yup, for some reason my 2013 never had that software problem.

[JMD]

Originally Posted by johntomferg

69000+ on 2013 m5 delivered in Oct 2012...
zero reliability issues.
only warranty action was to replace front wheel bearings very early on and then later the additional heatshielding for the coolant clamps.
maintenance:
oil changes, brake fluid changes, pads, plugs, coils packs, and tires.

very reliable car!

Hmm,...having tp replace plugs and coil packs under 100k miles considered "reliable"? Just asking!

[boots]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

I know Boots has over 80k by now. I'm almost at 65k myself. I thought I drive a lot, but Boots is a driving maniac. Lol!

lol yea Dave when I'm home I've been driving that thing like I stole it!! I think I have 77k now. And I go w/o driving it for weeks at a time. But when it call me I ride her like a one legged prostitute w the shakes !! When it gets out of the shop she knows the panties are coming back down. :

[dbworld4k]

Well, these replies are certainly encouraging! johntomferg, mind sharing the cost of the coil an plug replacement? I wonder how many hours that requires or if it's even DIY friendly...

[johntomferg]

Originally Posted by JMD

Hmm,...having tp replace plugs and coil packs under 100k miles considered "reliable"? Just asking!

I think you may be (unknowingly) mixing maintenance cost with reliability. To me "reliability" is do I experience something unexpected that result in me altering my immediate use of the vehicle and taking it to the shop. For example: something breaks and must be replaced without delay to operate the vehicle. Maintenance (whether preventative or reactive) generally deals with a consumable (tires, pads, plugs, coil packs, gasoline, oil, coolant, brake fluid, etc) that has an expected life.

The sparkplugs are a consumable as are the coils. Neither of these are unique to the M5. But might be more interesting for you to know as it relates to the M5 is that ~25K mile spark plugs changes [I don't have the maintenance schedule in front of me, so going from memory] is the maintenance schedule for replacement. It is generally necessary and there are plenty of anecdotal stories on the forum to support this need.

Since I am at > 2x 25K miles, I have performed this service twice, though my maintenance period before replacement the second time was a bit above 25K miles. Driving style and tuning will have a lot to with this.

I did not perform either service myself. The first was at BMW dealership under maintenance plan and the second was at an independent. The cost of plugs and coils are relatively cheap so it was [to me] preventative maintenance to provide the coils as well for them to be swapped during the plug service.

I know from ownership of previous vehicles, that the money you save in 'chasing coils' as each ones starts to tick its life away with failure is nothing compared to the annoyance of being interrupted by a fault/CEL that requires you to stop your day and chase which coil it is that needs to be replaced. A coil 'can' fail at any time, but they will all fail eventually.

If there is 95k miles on an M5 with the original coils and you experience a coil failing interrupting your 'fun filled afternoon', will you consider this a reliability issues of the M5? To me, it is caused by lack of preventative maintenance.

If a coil fails prematurely shortly after replacement, then I consider that a bad coil. Not an unreliable car.

Originally Posted by dbworld4k

, mind sharing the cost of the coil an plug replacement? I wonder how many hours that requires or if it's even DIY friendly...

I considered the DIY option on it and opted to not do it myself. I do it on the BBC 454 I have in the 1998 GMC 2500, and I have done it on the few hotrods I have had. But beyond that it doesn't give me much pleasure to do it on modern vehicles.

In the case of the BMW, it is likely very "achievable" as a DIY but you are in some tight spots, and some ancillary items need to be unscrewed and wiggle around for some tight reach wrenches to get in there at just the right angle for the rear plugs. Keeping my hair verses the cost to have a trusted Indy do it would be a no brainer. Now losing my scalp to pay the dealership to do it...I would probably have thought about it a little longer and then if I am honest with myself I would have griped and paid the excessive cost.

Here is the post that may benefit both of you. Gives the cost I experienced and lets you see up close and personal what the stock plugs look like after use during the maintenance period.

http://f10.m5post.com/forums/showthr...ighlight=plugs


Just FYI:
I'm also in the same boat as Dave....no issues on the software of the pre-LCI steering. I chased an issue once of low speed vibration in the steering wheel to worn shoulders on the front tires....but all was good after the new shoes went on. The 13s can be just as reliable as the post-LCI. I see pre-LCI bashing on here from time to time, but at some point I just have to refrain from arguing about the commonality of some of it. There are issues that can effect any of the years and the pre-LCIs are no exception. Used car shopping always takes some investigative efforts, but you do have a good forum here to mine for knowledge.

[boots]

I think I paid like 90-100 per coil and I got plugs at the same time. Can't remember but it wasn't cheap! I've had no real issues w my car. I do however have to tighten the screws in the pillar. Buzz buzz. Actually my only complaint was the dtm that most of us had experienced when we started to modify. Other than that it's been flawless. I'm knocking on wood right now.

[RPiM5]

Originally Posted by boots

I think I paid like 90-100 per coil and I got plugs at the same time. Can't remember but it wasn't cheap! I've had no real issues w my car. I do however have to tighten the screws in the pillar. Buzz buzz. Actually my only complaint was the dtm that most of us had experienced when we started to modify. Other than that it's been flawless. I'm knocking on wood right now.

Yeah I gotta re-tighten the B-Pillars also. I feel like I've just tuned that buzzing out when driving. Maybe the next service visit.

[boots]

Us going warp 3 in Mexico got those pillar screws loose. I'll tighten mine also when I get my car out of the shop. Home stretch for you. SD beaches and eye candy will be at your every turn.

[EdM5]

30k miles, not a single problem.

Fwiw, my F10 535d had 100k + miles, also flawless

[johntomferg]

boots & RPIM5, is your B-Pillar screw issue worthy of a DIY thread? The DIY section could use some more love.

[RPiM5]

Originally Posted by johntomferg

boots & RPIM5, is your B-Pillar screw issue worthy of a DIY thread? The DIY section could use some more love.

Yeah I suppose I could ask a good friend of mine who is a current BMW Master Technician to help explain how to open up the B-Pillars, locate the screws, and tighten them ourselves. Worth a shot anyways. Will get back to you on this hopefully sooner rather than later.

[boots]

I'll look into this also as soon as I get my car back from the shop

[engineer2020]

Even it is a different model but I currently have a 2011 BMW 535i with 180,000miles and it starts to cost me a lots to maintain but overall rides well. I have to reguraly maintain it to keep it this mileage. It costs a lot to maintain so I have to think twice before I buy an M5 F10 with 100k mile. I saw some ads with 120k so these cars can last longer but costs a lot to maintain

[AHall]

Originally Posted by engineer2020

Even it is a different model but I currently have a 2011 BMW 535i with 180,000miles and it starts to cost me a lots to maintain but overall rides well. I have to reguraly maintain it to keep it this mileage. It costs a lot to maintain so I have to think twice before I buy an M5 F10 with 100k mile. I saw some ads with 120k so these cars can last longer but costs a lot to maintain

Do you mean high cost to maintain or you are spending a lot on repairs?

[INFURNO]

I'm at 145,508. I really doubt I have the highest mileage.

The last maintenance item I did was plugs and coils roughly 50,000 miles ago.