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If I had my druthers I'd always pick Michelin over any other tire. I had PZeros from the factory on our E63s - decent ride but didn't last long. I hope the Michelins come on my ordered 16 CP. Luck of the draw.
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17,100 miles on P-Zeros. 2014 CP. Rears are gone, fronts have 4/32 to 5/32 remaining. One track day. Getting new set of MPSS tomorrow at BMW dealer. Interested to put some miles on the MPSS and understand how they differ from the P-Zeros.
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I do have a very heavy foot with 800HP. I think now with the revised MPSS that they are now 300 thread vs P0 200
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I'm looking at this from a slightly different point of view. I have 19k miles on my 2014 CP M5 and the MPSS that came on the car are just about shot. The car is a lease and I will turn it back in at the end of this year. So I just want tires on the car that will still be in good shape come time to turn the lease in. I don't want to have to buy another set just prior to lease turn in. There won't be any track days and I'm pretty easy on the car.
MPSS can only be found through my dealer and they are significantly more expensive than P Zeros at a local shop. If I went with Pzeros, any comment on whether they can last roughly 10 months and 9k miles and still have enough tread left to pass a lease turn in inspection which is usually at least 4/32" of tread left? |
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Just bought a 2016 M5...came with P Zeros. I asked Discount Tire about a set of PSS's and they didn't have any in stock and claimed Michelin had no future manufacturing runs planned.
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Just picked up my CPO 2015 M5 over the weekend and it came with PZero. I dont have anything to compare but it seems the PZero is a good balance for DD. Drove the car 1000 miles home and it was pretty comfortable and confident. Last two hour of my drive was in pouring rain with some puddling on the highway. didnt feel like i lost traction or felt loose. only complaint i have is that its a bit loud from the road noise. Again, I dont know if Michelin's can do better on the noise department.
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The PZeros aren't horrible, but I won't use them again unless they're on a set I have in the warehouse. I've gone through 3 sets of them in 18k miles/30k km. Add to that a set of PSS3 (on since 10k miles) and approx 7500km on 2 other different types. The PZeros are a much softer compound compared to the PSS3, but softer doesn't mean more traction. They're very temperature sensitive when it comes to friction levels. Between 150f and 165f, they're slightly better than the PSS3. Above and below that they're just wasting rubber, especially on the rear. They suffer from the usual Pirelli howl after the first 2-3k miles and seem to be extremely fragile. Of the 3 sets, only one lasted more than 1000 miles. The other two bubbled on the way to and while in D.C. for two days (the second set seemed to be attributed to installation error by someone I didn't know, the third was from minor pot hole/frost heave impact on the pass side, the drivers side seemed to just want to mimic the others...go figure). They'll become hockey pucks at a slightly warmer temp, and in the rain, don't feel as confident inspiring though the telemetry data shows they have a bit more lateral grip in the wet. Straight line they are poorer than the PSS3. The PSS3 is quieter (but not silent for daily driving at highway speed), has a slightly firmer ride, much better traction over a wider range, and vastly less tread wear. There is a slight decrease in initial bite from the fronts on turn in, but it's not something most will notice. In spirited driving they are, again, quieter, but not in a good way. They don't give much aural feedback like the Pirelli's and one really needs to crack the window to listen to what they're saying. The fronts can get fairly hot and begin to marble on the outer 1/4. Same problem with the PSC2 (only they're dead quiet to the end). The PSS3 even saved my ass when caught in a significant unforecasted freezing rain/sleet event, and got me to safety without scaring the crap out of me with over an inch of rough ice underneath and some not insignificant vertical geography. (No do not try and use them in the winter...unless you want to become very intimate with your insurance carrier). So back to the PSS4 I mentioned earlier. I've had engineers at one of our wheel foundries working on some BMW fitments for M2/3/4/5/6 that will be available later this year through a few vendors on this site. While the prototypes are being finished, I had the alignment tweaked slightly and managed to get a pair of PSS4 rears and threw them on an extra set of 601's I had lying around (PZeros on the front). Finished breaking them in and decided to do a little preliminary evaluation last night. I have access to a private airstrip with a 7500' runway that's fairly flat (.04% slope) and enough clear ramp space to have a short but varied auto-x course. Handling wise, they're engineered to be a bit louder when pushed. Perfect attribute to start with. There's a noticeable increase in lateral grip and the transitions from adhesion to slip is very smooth, predictable, and less snappy on recovery. I don't do much straight line timing, but figured what the hell. Armed with only the M Laptimer, I gave it a go. Facing the incline, the time and velocity numbers that came back on the first run weren't that great overall. I didn't use launch control and the car rolled back slightly before moving in the right direction which seemed to confuse the car a bit. Data was flat lined until 57.4km/h. But...there were two numbers that did get my attention...>1.5G acceleration and 293.7km/h v/max. Second Attempt, Launch Control. Again over 1.5G but almost immediately out of the hole and stayed above .98 the entire duration, sub 4 sec 0-100km/h (I have that weight penalty so that's quite surprising), some time/distance velocities that seem too good to be true from a street tire, and vmax of 307km/h (with stopping room left to spare...but not much). Time to dig out the vbox and go back with the gopro's mounted and see how off that app is. Good news for everyone too. This may be the tire most have been craving and the first batches of DOT Spec PSS4 will be on their way very soon |
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Good News on the PSS4. Any experience on the wet with the PSS4?
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