BMW is quoting M4 at 3.9 (vs 4.2 for M5), is there a chance it's faster?

[Boss330]

Originally Posted by JOHNBMWM5

The M5 is at it's best from 80MPH UP from there it's mental, but here in the UK USELESS, so 0-100 would be a good performance measure, I would think it would be very close indeed.
Above 80 MPH the M5 would win.

Did you see my post above, where I quoted the official 0-1000m (or standing kilometer as it's also called) times?

The M5 and M3/4 DCT has exactly the same 0-1000m time at 21,9s. The F10 M5 does around 150MPH at the 1000m mark, so it seems there won't be that much between them, even from 80MPH up...

At 0-100 (MPH?) the M3/4 DCT will definitely be close, since they actually are crossing the 1000m (1km) mark at around 150MPH at exactly the same time

[avlnch]

#*!%#*! shit. I just wrote a long post and got the "Post Not Sent". Forgot to copy before hitting send.

Please fix this god damn app.

Same issue happens with PM's.. especially when someone from another series forum PM's you.

Lets get an update pushed out already..

[RPiM5]

Originally Posted by 335iRlz

That would be me lol given our area and given the hissy fit I threw to get #1

Terry already also has an m4 on order so serious R&D will go into those lower M models as compared to our cars. Still think the m5 will be faster though.

Boosted M's e92 m3 making 500 something/350 to the wheels ran a 12.07... I'm guessing this car all around will be 11.7-12.3. But then the running community should be bigger given the market trends of those smaller cheaper cars which is why it shouldn't be unreasonable to think 10s at some point (unless those ecus really are unbreakable lol)

Sweet. We'll setup a date to race though. I'll bring the video equipment like I always do, lol! Yeah, I have a feeling that the S55 ECU is going to be as tough to crack as the S63tu ECU, maybe even harder. 2+ years and counting and still no full remap for S63tu engine. The G30 M5 will be out by the time the F10 M5 gets a decent tune.

[RPiM5]

Originally Posted by avlnch

#*!%#*! shit. I just wrote a long post and got the "Post Not Sent". Forgot to copy before hitting send.

Please fix this god damn app.

Same issue happens with PM's.. especially when someone from another series forum PM's you.

Lets get an update pushed out already..

Yeah I really hate that too!

[avlnch]

M5 has always been strongest in the higher speeds. That's where my previous E60 M5 over ran the Gallardo and F430.

[RPiM5]

Originally Posted by avlnch

M5 has always been strongest in the higher speeds. That's where my previous E60 M5 over ran the Gallardo and F430.

Yeah, and didn't anyone see the video of the 997 GT3 vs the E60 M5 I posted? The E60 M5 didn't lose.

June 2014 needs to get here so I can race an M4.

[avlnch]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

Yeah I really hate that too!

I agreed with you by the way. In my post that got destroyed in cyber space.

Can't compare old cars to new cars. Can't compare modified cars to stock cars.

Unless your posting a "I did these mods" and "best this much, much faster than M5 car" thread - that's interesting just to know the capabilities of the M5 when pushed outside of stock constraints.

The F Series M3 is impressive - CFRP and weight reduction... Makes one think about the G series M5.

BMW purchased a carbon fiber company a few years ago. Finally the product of that acquisition has made it to production, right into the new M3/M4. Body panels was a given, but high stress mechanical components like the drive shaft is impressive. Probably the material they will use to make a AWD solution worthy of an M badge.

[DrKevM5]

Originally Posted by URBAN LEGEND

The M3/M4 is not even out and I'm already tired of people comparing 2 different types of cars. Enjoy your car and forget the others.

^THIS^

I could care less if it's quicker.

[M5Rlz]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

Sweet. We'll setup a date to race though. I'll bring the video equipment like I always do, lol! Yeah, I have a feeling that the S55 ECU is going to be as tough to crack as the S63tu ECU, maybe even harder. 2+ years and counting and still no full remap for S63tu engine. The G30 M5 will be out by the time the F10 M5 gets a decent tune.

They told me maybe by mAy but that could be blowing smoke.

[B-1Pilot]

My thoughts on this car have not changed....

http://f10.m5post.com/forums/showpos...2&postcount=61

"Anyone who has been to the Welt in recent months knows that BMW is far ahead in carbon fiber and carbon fiber reinforced plastic technology...

The question is, are M5 drivers willing to give up their sunroof, fancy heated and cooled superadjustable seats, powered trunk lid, soft close doors, and any plethora of other luxury features to remove a perceived heavy feel? Given the performance of the powertain and steering of the car, I am very happy to have all the luxury features the M5 has but the M3/4 do not.

For those who really believe the M5 is too heavy -- translate this into a performance deficit where you want to see improvement (0-60, 1/4 mile, nurburgring or other track lap time), and give an example where another 4 door, 5 person car is doing it better by keeping the vehicle lighter."

That new tech will be in the G30 M5 and i can't wait!

[URBAN LEGEND]

Originally Posted by B-1 Pilot

My thoughts on this car have not changed....

http://f10.m5post.com/forums/showpos...2&postcount=61

"Anyone who has been to the Welt in recent months knows that BMW is far ahead in carbon fiber and carbon fiber reinforced plastic technology...

The question is, are M5 drivers willing to give up their sunroof, fancy heated and cooled superadjustable seats, powered trunk lid, soft close doors, and any plethora of other luxury features to remove a perceived heavy feel? Given the performance of the powertain and steering of the car, I am very happy to have all the luxury features the M5 has but the M3/4 do not.

For those who really believe the M5 is too heavy -- translate this into a performance deficit where you want to see improvement (0-60, 1/4 mile, nurburgring or other track lap time), and give an example where another 4 door, 5 person car is doing it better by keeping the vehicle lighter."

That new tech will be in the G30 M5 and i can't wait!

This dude gets it.^^

[avi8tir]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

Yeah, and didn't anyone see the video of the 997 GT3 vs the E60 M5 I posted? The E60 M5 didn't lose.

June 2014 needs to get here so I can race an M4.

Im doubting that video... There was clearly a mis-shift at 55 seconds. the driver of the GT3 has several more questionable shifts. The GT3's strong suit is not straight line, but it still hauls. I had both at the same time for about 3 full years and the GT3 was hands down faster than either of my E60's I had at the time. My 991 GT3 will be here soon so I can give comparison, but I assure you it will blow away the F10 M5.

[mainly]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

Here's some interesting results too. They said the new GT3 is faster than even the GT3 RS 4.0 around the track, but no mention about in the straight line.

yes but the 997 gt3 was manual gearbox only. the new pdk for the gt3 is said to be unreal fast.

in addition, basically every review so far for the gt3 pretty much has it the best sports car EVER PRODUCED. PERIOD.

now, i havent taken delivery yet, and that is a big claim, but just sayin.


the 991 gt3 was tested at 3.0 seconds to 60 mph. by one of the mags. forget which one. and porsche claims 0-100 mph time of 7.5 seconds. i dont see how from any speed the m5 can beat the gt3.

the new m4? forget it. the gt3 has 45 more hp and 400 lbs LESS weight.

[elitex]

Originally Posted by B-1 Pilot

My thoughts on this car have not changed....

http://f10.m5post.com/forums/showpos...2&postcount=61

"Anyone who has been to the Welt in recent months knows that BMW is far ahead in carbon fiber and carbon fiber reinforced plastic technology...

The question is, are M5 drivers willing to give up their sunroof, fancy heated and cooled superadjustable seats, powered trunk lid, soft close doors, and any plethora of other luxury features to remove a perceived heavy feel? Given the performance of the powertain and steering of the car, I am very happy to have all the luxury features the M5 has but the M3/4 do not.

For those who really believe the M5 is too heavy -- translate this into a performance deficit where you want to see improvement (0-60, 1/4 mile, nurburgring or other track lap time), and give an example where another 4 door, 5 person car is doing it better by keeping the vehicle lighter."

That new tech will be in the G30 M5 and i can't wait!

Exactly what I've been saying. This pretty much sums it up.

[M5Rlz]

Originally Posted by mainly

in addition, basically every review so far for the gt3 pretty much has it the best sports car EVER PRODUCED. PERIOD.

I tried to get one even offered 25k + msrp if they could find me one quick... Best I could do was 50k deposit to be number 9 in line for a few build slots that may or may not come

Originally Posted by B-1 Pilot

The question is, are M5 drivers willing to give up their sunroof, fancy heated and cooled superadjustable seats, powered trunk lid, soft close doors, and any plethora of other luxury features to remove a perceived heavy feel? Given the performance of the powertain and steering of the car, I am very happy to have all the luxury features the M5 has but the M3/4 do not.

For those who really believe the M5 is too heavy -- translate this into a performance deficit where you want to see improvement (0-60, 1/4 mile, nurburgring or other track lap time), and give an example where another 4 door, 5 person car is doing it better by keeping the vehicle lighter."

That new tech will be in the G30 M5 and i can't wait!

Seats are just blowing air not actual ac ... I love the heated seats steering wheel and soft close doors

I'd keep the car if we had more mods but I'm fast enough that nobody wants to race me but not fast enough to race against fully built cars right in the middle lol.

[avi8tir]

Originally Posted by 335iRlz

I tried to get one even offered 25k + msrp if they could find me one quick... Best I could do was 50k deposit to be number 9 in line for a few build slots that may or may not come

There are plenty of dealerships out there where you can be 9 or better on the list without putting anything down.

[uhn2000]

Originally Posted by B-1 Pilot

My thoughts on this car have not changed....

http://f10.m5post.com/forums/showpos...2&postcount=61

"Anyone who has been to the Welt in recent months knows that BMW is far ahead in carbon fiber and carbon fiber reinforced plastic technology...

The question is, are M5 drivers willing to give up their sunroof, fancy heated and cooled superadjustable seats, powered trunk lid, soft close doors, and any plethora of other luxury features to remove a perceived heavy feel? Given the performance of the powertain and steering of the car, I am very happy to have all the luxury features the M5 has but the M3/4 do not.

For those who really believe the M5 is too heavy -- translate this into a performance deficit where you want to see improvement (0-60, 1/4 mile, nurburgring or other track lap time), and give an example where another 4 door, 5 person car is doing it better by keeping the vehicle lighter."

That new tech will be in the G30 M5 and i can't wait!

Bravo..

[soooma]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

Yeah, and didn't anyone see the video of the 997 GT3 vs the E60 M5 I posted? The E60 M5 didn't lose.

June 2014 needs to get here so I can race an M4.

Any updates?

[Ex_Stig]

Originally Posted by soooma

Any updates?

The M3/4 has barely hit the US let alone had enough time to get through the 1200 mile service. I'd say it's too soon for any results.

In my humble opinion, I don't care at all if the M3/4 is faster.

[Djokodallas]

I saw
m4 0-60 3.8-4.4
1/4 mile. 12.01-12.5

They tested m4 vs mb c63

And both are about same 1/4 times......

I really think that m4 will be around 12.3 to 12.5 1/4 mile

In 0-60 m3/m4 will hang with m5

On 1/4 m5 will beat m3/m4 any day by 0.3-0.5 sec

Bmw wouldn't make an m3 faster than m5 that would just be like cutting your veins....

[RPiM5]

Originally Posted by soooma

Any updates?

None yet, most likely in August when people are completing their break-in services. I know one dude personally where I live, who is dismantling his Supercharged E92 M3 Lime Rock Edition and taking delivery of a brand new Black Sapphire Metallic M4 this month. I may race him when I get a chance.

I'm in agreement with Gnazulu though, I really don't care which one is faster 0-60, it's almost a pointless metric to me. Rolling race and track lap times are more conclusive. I've always felt it's fun to debate about these metrics too, but I have nothing to prove to anyone. I'll be doing some rolling races next month though, so that should be fun. Have seriously thought about another car because I do feel the need to go to the track more since I live in car enthusiast hell, where I don't have wide open country roads or desolate desert roads to race around in anymore, so the M3/M4 has been on the decision plate for a little while now. But I'm still wanting/willing to explore the capabilities of the F10 M5. I mean no one really knows what a 750+hp F10 M5, with Carbon Ceramic Brakes, lightweight 20" wheels, and 285mm tires in front/305mm tires in back, can do at VIR or Watkins Glen or Lime Rock. I feel like I want to really push that envelope instead of just giving up because the F10 M5 is 4,400lbs and driving a lighter car with less power is a better choice. So in essence, I'm looking to answer a question that no-one really knows the answer too, can a heavy F10 M5 be a great track car with modifications? I believe the E60 M5 community proved that question to be true for the E60 M5.

[RPiM5]

Originally Posted by 335iRlz

That would be me lol given our area and given the hissy fit I threw to get #1

Terry already also has an m4 on order so serious R&D will go into those lower M models as compared to our cars. Still think the m5 will be faster though.

Boosted M's e92 m3 making 500 something/350 to the wheels ran a 12.07... I'm guessing this car all around will be 11.7-12.3. But then the running community should be bigger given the market trends of those smaller cheaper cars which is why it shouldn't be unreasonable to think 10s at some point (unless those ecus really are unbreakable lol)

Dude, what's your delivery date? Would love to check out the new car.