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Tuned cars, come in..
http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1327330
Fortunately, i ran across this on the M3 side. Start at page 3. Basically, what is being implied is, (with a flashed ECU) anytime that car is now plugged into a BMW OBD, it's picking it up as a change and in turn telling the tech to consult BMW regarding repairs. And we can all infer where that is going to go... Is this true? I have consulted two techs, one saying yes, the other saying NO. The latter, said he plugged in a jb4 m4 on friday, and didn't get any such prompt. Maybe this "update" or new software hasn't taken full effect yet, but it's something to definitely keep an eye on. This news just broke last week, and i know alot of people are shitting bricks, but we should definitely wait and see for a few weeks how things progress. The tech that told me this is true, said he didn't even have much info on it. P.S Regarding all the guys running piggies, supposedly this is a * better option in terms of needing warranty work (if you don't want to do a full flash) but as i always say, if BMW needs to find something, they will. |
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That's big news...very curious about the lease question and the possible inability to get a lease return car CPO'd. Surely BMW would levy a $$ penalty against that owner...
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12-04-2016, 12:36 AM | #4 |
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Lots of hearsay and very unsubstantiated. I've got 3 friends who are master technicians at BMW and they've never heard anything about this.
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12-04-2016, 01:49 AM | #6 |
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As of last week all BMW service center are running on a new system that is online 100% of the time - aka your info gets submitted directly to NA as soon as the car enters the shop floor and hooked up. Where as in the past, the hub was located directly in the dealership, where the tech's had the option to diag. scan your vehicle offline before submitting the data to NA for warranty approval.
Those confident in their tuners have nothing to worry about, in terms of the system picking up the unlock patch... I hope. I mean I know there were careless tuners doing improper patches in the past, so if their new system is actually able to spot the properly performed patches, oh man we're in for some shit. Patches & system scans aside, those with drilled DME's (every tuned S63tu), we're all fucked. Word on the street is that on top of all this shit, recently NA sent out notices to dealers, informing service departments to keep an eye out for drilled DME's on V8TT models that are in for warranty / service and report them. So if your SA couldn't give two fucks about who you are, and if you happened to have a catastrophic failure, or something drivetrain related fails on you, I heard this will might help, group buy anyone? So yeah... fun news. Anyone doubting the legitimacy of this new approach BMW is taking, I highly recommend you check back with your sources. Last edited by Igor_M5; 12-04-2016 at 02:52 AM.. |
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one good question asked in the thread was about flash counters. People with flashes can always revert back to stock.. but will it show everytime, will it then be flagged, can this e turned off etc..? i'm hoping a tuner can chime in.
I'm fully OK with the fact that if/when i decide to flash the car and the motor blows, i'd have to foot the bill. What i'm not ok with is having a flash, having a small problem, flashing BACK to stock and then having BMW give me shit about it. sdshah, i dont think BMW is worried in the long run. Sure, the mod game is much bigger on our side, but what really needs to happen is one of these manufacturers needs to come out with their own tune that isn't raping everyone asshole like Dinan for an extra 40hp. If and when that day comes, i'm on board with them. As of right now, this is one hell of a predicament. |
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12-04-2016, 09:30 AM | #9 |
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My SA confirmed this to be factual as well as the Notice for drilled DME's. This is not unlike what Audi started doing several years back with "Spec-Actuals" being delivered online to Audi NA although my Audi tune (APR) was via OBD Port so reverting to stock was relatively easy.
Never had any issues but then again I never had any major claims; no issues on lease return either. Price to pay to play the game ...
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Two things I have to say about this whole thing...
1. BMW is going to lose a lot of customers gradually if this is true, once news gets out. The overall experience of owning an "M" car is the first factor contributing towards purchasing these cars. Secondly, at least for myself, the platform of twin turbos and the ability to make power easy, was the second factor. BMWs biggest marketers are the people who drive their M cars. There is no better form of marketing than listening to an "M" car owner talk about their car, and relaying their experience to another driver. Now imaging sucking the life out of all of these enthusiastic owners around the world.. and replacing them with negative comments.. 2. BMW should have at least informed owners or press released this information. This is a huge change when it comes to how customer information is transmitted and stored. Locally state side vs Information being transmitted overseas. I'm not specifically versed in the legal aspects of this. However, I was under the impression that companies in the US need consent to transmit data like this overseas, at least from the owner of the data.
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Any attorneys familiar with these issues want to provide feedback?..
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I think everyones freaking out over nothing.. They are making these new rules to cover their asses legally from abuse warranty claims, like overboosted blown engines, fully blown transmissions etc.. Dealerships arent going to be outting people all of a sudden when you come in for service or claims that are unrelated. They prob wont even screw you if it is related in a minor way like a blown diff. Remember when Nissan said if you mod the GTR your done... never happened except it gave them legal grounds if people were over abusing their warranties and cars. Having a good relationship with your service adviser is key..
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That's the thing though if I'm understanding it correctly. It has nothing to do with the dealer. It's an update on the software tools they use. As in the car comes in, they plug the car in like normal, and off the data goes. I don't think they will be able to 'hide' anything anymore. Not like before where they had the option to send the data.
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this is how i'm interpreting it as well. As soon as the car gets plugged in, BMW NA has the cars info. That is a major problem. But, let's see how it progresses throughout the next few weeks. To clarify, no one was ever really able to "hide" anything. There is no hiding. In a major failure, bmw will do their research. |
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So for me it looks like I'll most likely be doing my power adders in two stages. Dinan stage 2, intake, and mufflers for the warranty duration. Then post warranty if I still have the car BPM stage 2, catless downpipes, clutches, pure, etc. |
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So with all that being said, how will this new update effect the people with JB4 tunes (not full flashes). I've heard people in the past would just set it to map 0 and unplug the OBDII hookup. Is that still the case or will the tunes need to be removed altogether?
Taking the tune out of my 550 was a joke ~5 mins, taking out the tune from the m5 with all the ports and the BCM is going to be a nightmare. |
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It's a fact that the information goes to BMW directly. I haven't tested the 'anti tamper' patch but it's not worth the risk. Anyways even when my trans blew I bought a used one - I mean it wasn't designed for 1000ft-lbs of torque so it is unethical to have BMW replace it.
Same goes for the engine - people have blown 30-40 motors and taken it back. BMW is obviously aware as it's an expensive RMA especially with NA labor rates. The S63tu is a strong motor when maintained and tuned properly. I have pushed 800-1000hp for 75% of the 30K miles I have on the car. Runs like a champ. Most of the people who have blown their engines don't know what they are doing... sorry!! I can imagine this motor (mine included) getting weaker over time but for it to actually blow-up, it has to be user error or some component failed under load (injector etc.). My $0.02 if you want to keep the car and not just turn it into Carmax and screw the next guy... is plan on getting a spare engine. Think about it.... what's the price of a 700-800hp car? Here we have a 4-door sedan that can easily push 750hp reliably. |
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