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      06-16-2011, 01:30 AM   #45
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Yes because you've driven the M5 enough to know that the steering sucks. This car will no doubt have a tighter steering rack. No doubt that the PT and PTS will eat up any of these cars in a straight line. On the track,we shall wait and see. After all, the AWD M5 is supposedly being produced at some point
I doubt the M5 will come close to the Panamera Turbo on the track, let alone the Turbo S.

Remember the Turbo STARTS at 136k (the prefigured "sport" version ends up at 154k) and the Turbo S starts at 173k (sport at 176k), so really these cars do not seem to be in the same league as the M5 (I hope).

I just watched a rerun of top gear comparing the Maserati quattrosporte, the Panamera turbo and the Aston 4 door (forget the name). These are 4 seater super cars. IMO different than the M5.

BMW didn't intend for the M5 to be in super car category. Currently, BMW doesn't make a super car.
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      06-16-2011, 02:24 AM   #46
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      06-16-2011, 03:20 AM   #47
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How on earth CTS-V could be a big rival to BMW, MB or Audi? Maybe there in States, but Cadillac is just one huge joke and I don't see anyone buying that crap in Europe. BMW's interior is clear win out of these three
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      06-16-2011, 03:50 AM   #48
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      06-16-2011, 03:53 AM   #49
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Hot dam!!! That M5 engine bay looks like a transformer! Eye candy right there
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      06-16-2011, 04:04 AM   #50
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For me the Bmw is a clear winner also. A dream family car. Kids to the back seat and to the track. I drove the new CLS 63 AMG yesterday with the new 5.5 TT V8 (Performance package), on a wet track, and what an engine and the sound, like a storm. It has so much torgue that tracktion is the biggest problem. SLS AMG was still nicer, faster and noisier. But still I would probably take the new M5 over CLS. Cadillac is irrelevant here in Europe, but Jag is playing in the same league as Merc and Bmw.
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      06-16-2011, 04:25 AM   #51
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The CTS-V rear is ugly. The Benz looks more like something my aunt would drive. the M5 is mean and sporty.
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      06-16-2011, 04:57 AM   #52
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I think E63 better than new M5.
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MB is so beautiful from the side view but as a whole package the winner is M5.... Nice cars...
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      06-16-2011, 06:48 AM   #54
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m5 wins where rs6?
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      06-16-2011, 06:59 AM   #55
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Panamera T/TS > M5 ? E63 > CTS-V

M5 and E63 is nearly a toss up and matter of personal taste. Only if you are unbiased.

They both have pros and cons, almost equally. M5 got the agility, while the E63 has the low-end and raw torque. Interior and exterior is matter of sporty vs luxury, list goes on. Even the sound of both vehicles come down to matter of preference. Some prefers low pitched growling V8 roar, while some prefers more sporty and high pitched M5 tone.
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      06-16-2011, 07:07 AM   #56
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Panamera T/TS > M5 ? E63 > CTS-V

M5 and E63 is nearly a toss up and matter of personal taste. Only if you are unbiased.

They both have pros and cons, almost equally. M5 got the agility, while the E63 has the low-end and raw torque. Interior and exterior is matter of sporty vs luxury, list goes on. Even the sound of both vehicles come down to matter of preference. Some prefers low pitched growling V8 roar, while some prefers more sporty and high pitched M5 tone.
Fair enough, but don't you think 'agility' is a bit of a joke, considering it weighs more than the Benz?

BTW I don't like the Panamera in terms of exterior design. I'd choose the M5 in a heartbeat. A bit biased I know....
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did no one notice the m5 is 6 inchs or so narrower than the MB....how the hell did that happen, imagine what the track width difference is... im sure the m5 will smash the other round the track but if it were 6ish inchs wider with something like the 1series M flared arches...now that would look menacing....anyone wanna do a photoshop???
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      06-16-2011, 09:24 AM   #59
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Isnt it amazing how MB have somewhat gone the ways of Caddy and gone with the more angular/hard lines styling approach.


I still think the BMW wins in styling, and I would take it over the MB of Caddy any day.
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M5's engine bay is so fucking sick
I agree the engine design looks great...
My favorite design is the RS6's engine which is supposed to look like a muscle man..

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      06-16-2011, 11:20 AM   #62
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WOW that M5 looks really sexy in the back...
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whats the deal with the weight of the cars, all have a different method, whats the real comparison weight, because I doubt the M5 weighs 4200 lbs curb, unless its got a lot more light weight material than listed, the 550i has a curb weight of 4586 lbs by Edmunds. CTS-v weighs 4222 according to Edmunds and Mercedes E63 4058. any info on this?
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whats the deal with the weight of the cars, all have a different method, whats the real comparison weight, because I doubt the M5 weighs 4200 lbs curb, unless its got a lot more light weight material than listed, the 550i has a curb weight of 4586 lbs by Edmunds. CTS-v weighs 4222 according to Edmunds and Mercedes E63 4058. any info on this?
BMW has sunk down the toilet. First no naturally aspirated M engine, a muted exhaust for the M5, heavier than the cayenne turbo and looks like something out of the 1990s. The F10 5er is a bad bad design. What I don't understand is that its smaller than the E class and still heavier? Are they using deadweight in their cars? The funnier thing is that the p'mera which competes with the higher (and bigger) segment of cars is so much lighter than the 5er.

I used to like and respect BMW. What happened to you guys?
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I find it funny how many people try to trash the CTS-V. Sure, if you don't like how it looks that's one thing, but if you're only judging from photos then your opinion is null. If anyone here thinks they can knock the V's performance, well then your opinion is, again, null.
I'd be willing to bet that the overwhelming majority of people who try to talk crap about the V haven't ever sat in one, let alone experienced how it is to drive one. This automotive elitism, this cheesy forced act of, "oh Cadillac means nothing, just garbage, my X is so much better", well it just comes off as insecurity.
I'm admitting that the M5 will probably be the superior car, and it is for that reason that I plan on buying one. In all reality, though, the V sedan and coupe are head and shoulders above anything that BMW currently offers in terms of performance and value.

So basically, if you haven't driven a V hold your tongue. If you have, well then you'd know it is a world class car with a fantastic engine and a very nice interior (except for that crap-ass gloss black console..). I get shouted at and stopped and accosted every time I take the car out, people love it and want to know what it is. A fine ass girl pulled up next to me yesterday and started to tell me how much she liked my car and how sexy I look in it lol. That never happened in my 335i, and it wouldn't happen in an E60 M5.

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When does the M5 arrive? I'm ready to get back into a BMW.
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When does the M5 arrive? I'm ready to get back into a BMW.
Should be Spring-Summer next year.
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