12-13-2012, 11:10 PM | #1 |
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e60 M5 to F10 M5 owners speak up
So I owned a e60 m5 and now an e92 m3 and I absolutely love the entire package that each of these cars brought. It brought me as close to driving a race car around the city as possible and a large part of the aural experience was the brutal gear shifts, the engine screaming to 8400 and simply knowing there was a one of a kind engine in the car that was as close to a race engine as there is aside from a ferrari.
I totally get the e60 is slower in ever measure but for me, the driving experience on a daily basis was way more than the acceleration but much more enjoyable to me was going through a tunnel and hearing the v10 or v8 scream at 8400 with a raspy high pitched race sound (always went catless). The hard shifts of the smg or the dct that just slams the gear home and just the nimbleness of both the e60 and the e92. It just was a perfect experience and I am wondering if anyone who enjoyed some of those same things is disapointed after buying an f10? Specifically the size, softness of the tranny shifts, lack of screaming engine, lack of high revving engine etc etc |
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12-13-2012, 11:32 PM | #3 | |
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Pros: Acceleration is faster Gear shifts are faster Exhaust sounds better, not louder Looks better Cons: Steering is too smooth, not sharp enough. My hydraulic pump failed during first slalom on snow Throttle is not responsive enough for controlled oversteering or drifts Brakes overheat after a few minutes of heavy application Screaming engine - I don't miss the high pitch drama from S85 V10. The car is forcing me to accept that it's a classy fast sedan for occasional spirited driving, but in no way intended for any heavy track duty. I don't know where all those reviews on sexy tracks come from, I guess those test cars had many issues after those tests. Maybe others can share their experience on this. |
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- a sharper and more feelsome steering - glorious high revving V8 - induction note - easier to manoeuvre in tight spaces The M5 is not a do it all car. It's a car u get if u want something more executive, yet with some fun. It goes like a bat out of hell though and would rape the M3 all day long in the straights. If there is one thing i have to name that disappoints me in the M5, it has to be the steering. It should have provided much more feedback and be sharper.
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12-14-2012, 01:57 AM | #6 |
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Always best to just test it out yourself.
If you don't like the new one, you can always go back to the E60 M5.
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12-16-2012, 01:54 PM | #7 |
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Had a E60 until recently and will get my new F10 in April. Will be keeping my M6 cab in Arizona so will be able to compare directly. I suspect I will enjoy them all to various degrees. Life moves on.
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12-16-2012, 03:21 PM | #8 |
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I had to say for me the E60 M5 was my least favorite M car and I've had quite a few including an E36 M3 LTW, E46 M3 coupe with SMG, E39 M5 (very modded), and now the F10 and E93 M3.
I really didn't think the E60 screamed until you put an eisenmann race on it. It doesn't scream like a Gallardo. The cruising range was horrific and when you're on it, it was horrible. (3mpg on the track at Laguna Seca and Thunderhill) which equated to less than 70 miles before it would cut out on places such as turn 5 and 8 at thunderhill. I literally got gas every 2 20 min sessions. The SMG went out 3 times on mine, burnt a quart of oil every 250 miles. (broken in as recommended). After 9 months of ownership, BMW bought it back since they couldn't figure out what was wrong with the transmission. Driving a race car on the street is overrated. It wasn't torquey and needed to be revved to get anything. The M3 is better in that regards. With that said, 500+ miles of Autobahn and Autostrada and mountain run up Alto Adige in Northern Italy from Euro Delivery and the F10 is a far superior car in my opinion. Tons of everyday useable power/torque without hitting the 500HP button, big fuel tank, much better brakes, and better gas mileage. Looking forward to my 1st track day in the new daily driver. |
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12-16-2012, 03:26 PM | #9 |
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Previously owned an '09 E60. Like others stated this car is night and day different. All good IMHO. I am just getting around to really trusting the car in high(er) speed situations that arise in daily driving, namely on/off ramps. This is where i used to drive the E60 hard and it was very good. Not saying the F10 is bad, but I'd say steering is not "scalpel" sharp. Disappointed? Hell no! Engine, trans, brakes, exhaust - all much better.
Compared to a M3? Totally different car. |
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We should make a compilation of these reviews and send them to all the magazine reviews that bashed the car after 20 mins of driving and have them print that.... I gave a friend of mine a ride yesterday that has a stage 3 supercharged E90 m3 and he almost shit his pants in the back seat lol. Akash, sorry if you're reading this. He is sold on it, making strides to reverting back to stock and hooked him up with our golden sales man from Atlanta.... most of you know who i'm talking about! lol. BTW, the other passenger in the car just got out of an E92 m3 -> GTR -> range rover HSE and is now contemplating getting F10 Beast after ride yesterday and had nothing but good things to say about the ride and refinement of the M5.... said the GTR has nothing on the M5 but awd feature.
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I did a day at Laguna, pushing the car pretty hard (1:46-ish laps if I recall correctly) and did not notice any brake fade. For sure the brakes sounded like "snap, crackle and pop" after each session, but I just did a few minutes of cool down in the paddock and have not noticed any consequences (brakes squeal a bit, but they did before also).
Anyway, I agree that this is not a track car, but it gets around the track OK in my experience. On exhaust, I think they are different (E60 screams, F10 Rumbles), but both sound great. I had Dinan exhaust on E60 (pretty mild) and it sounds great racing to redline, but it was pretty obnoxious. Bottom line for me is that, versus the E60, the car is a step farther away from a true dual-purpose track/street car, but the everyday drivability (Especially around town) is just in a different league. The E60/SMG was a compromised solution that worked best on track. The F10/DCT is just better at everything and is able to drive like a grown up sedan in everyday scenarios.... |
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Great posts. Looks like everyone did not really give the old M a second thought. As one person elluded to, I was thinking about keeping the m3 I have and getting the f10 M5 but in the end it sounds like once you move up in technology, acceleration, refinement etc etc, there would be little draw to ever drive the m3 (unless a track which I may do).
This is the first m3/m5 combo that does make sense to own together IMO. An 8500 rpm screaming v8 and a torque monster TT v8. Different power delivery. Never understood owning an e60 m5 and e90 m3. Much too similar but this actually makes some sense here. |
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Just curious, since you have an awesome stable... if this is going to be your DD, where are you doing with you 550? Not sure if I have seen a post from you talking of why you decided to stay within the body style but go to the M. I remember reading many of you post with interest when you got your 5-series... Just would be interested in your thoughts between the two.
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I do miss my E39 M5. It was a great car.
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I have driven my friends M6 with the V10 and SMG. It is really a nice car but you need to wind it out. Really lacking in torque for such a heavy car. It sounds very good imo. I kept my E90 M3 6 speed when I bought the F10 M5. For a daily driver you can't beat the new M5. The NA V8 in the M3 is amazing though. I am definitely keeping the V8 M3.
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I do miss some aspects of my e60. It had more drama. It was more playful. I spun it sideways all the time and it made me laugh. It felt more connected. It was far more raw (good and bad).
The f10, on the other hand, demands respect. It's a brute and it means business. This thing scares me at times. It's much much faster. It actually deserves the title Beast more than the e60 did. It's all been said before. The refinement, tech, ride and versatility of the f10 dwarf the capabilities of the e60, and I couldn't possibly go back... BUT... With the e60 I never thought about owning a second car explicitly for sporty driving. I definitely do want a smaller companion for the f10.
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I wrote this for my E60 M5 friends.
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Read every page, well written. I've never owned the E60 but I want one in the future. The engine dominated that whole car, F10 tries to balance its components. Would be a nice pairing in my garage with my little 1
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+1, great with my morning coffee beforing starting the day
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