M5 / M6 Oil Pump Recall FAQ and Affected VIN List

[m balla]

Some of the new batches or 911s were recalled for faulty connected gas lines, some of the new Mercedes had floor mats that could entrap the accelerator and some of the new audis had glass that will shatter.

BMW is erring in the side of caution. I would rather pay for what I get in my bimmer than a Porsche. What other car can you get the performance and the room and customer service at a decent price point?

I mean you could still enjoy your car and drive the shit out of it and take it when the new pump is ready and if some light comes on shut her down and hit the SOS button. At this point it will have to be flat bedded anyway.

And it's not like this an aventador which I'm sure drinks oil like a cookie monster hooked on oil monster.

[jettie1767]

Glad mine isn't on the list.

[ucla95]

Originally Posted by nv6425

What kind of loaners are you guys expecting?

Probably the standard issue 328i. I don't think we have a choice in that regard.

[Rob///M5]

Talked to a dealer just now in Georgia who says they received the recall 3 days ago and have been told by BMW that they will have the replacement oil pump next week. Not sure how valid this guy's info is, but sounds promising.

[2045]

glad mine is not on the list. picking it up in 4 days @ the Welt.

[Swashplate]

What I was told:


James,

They have already fixed the problem for those cars being built (as suspected).

The only cars that are affected, are the ones already being driven.

This will not affect your order in any way.

I'm glad you waited though. :-)

Have a great weekend!!!!


Oh ok thanks.....

[NewYearsBoy]

Issues already with a 100K car...???

[Pazzo009]

Originally Posted by Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

What I was told:


James,

They have already fixed the problem for those cars being built (as suspected).

The only cars that are affected, are the ones already being driven.

This will not affect your order in any way.

I'm glad you waited though. :-)

Have a great weekend!!!!


Oh ok thanks.....

Is your car waiting for production, or has it been built already?

[babybeamer]

If this is not a design issue (which is no more acceptable) and it is in fact a supply issue, there is still some explaining to do. I worked in process engineering in automotive manufacturing for a number of years. The same way it is important to understand the critical design features of a component that add value and enable performance, you must understand and adhere to process performance tolerances to achieve the required product performance for assembly and end user use. The only difference when the manufacturer is a third party, is the customer(BMW) must have the supplier report product performance data at the appropriate frequency for critical and non critical product attributes. Critical often implies a more stringent requirement(less allowance for variation) on an attribute. (Often times OEMs will dictate process settings to a supplier, supervising their equipment settings, to achieve the desired product performance. Even requiring them to seek permission before changing equipment settings in their own facility.) That data (usually called C of A for Certificate of Authorization) is suppose to be sent before the batch of parts that were tested actually arrive at your facility. This provides OEMS like BMW with an opportunity to review the data and put parts on hold or return them to the supplier as soon as it arrives at their facility. If an entire truck load of parts is bad you can even turn the truck around before it gets to your facility......That being said, there are only a few ways this doesn't stop nonsense like what is going on now from happening:


1. The supplier is not doing any measurements or they are and BMW did not review them in a timely manner
2. You are measuring the wrong attributes that do not impact overall performance
3. They are measuring the correct attributes but do not understand the sensitivity of the part to variance
4. Worst Case: It could be the interaction of more than one part. (i.e. Both parts in spec, but the combination of more than one part being near the tolerance yields a bad result)

Either way the responsibility rests with BMW to set the expectation and manage their supplier.

[M Pulse]

Originally Posted by Aboody99

Mine was produced in April but its the 2nd time now i get a warning saying to fill up 1 liter of oil. Went to the dealer and they topped it up. Was told it's no issue. Il contact them tomorrow and see whats going on

This is not uncommon, before I got my current M3 I had a 335i for 3 years and that thing needed oil top-off frequently. It's common with turbo charged engines. I've had the M3 for a couple of months now and haven't seen the message to add oil yet. Perhaps NA engines don't burn oil as quickly as turbo charged ones.

[IS3andME]

Originally Posted by m balla

Some of the new batches or 911s were recalled for faulty connected gas lines, some of the new Mercedes had floor mats that could entrap the accelerator and some of the new audis had glass that will shatter.

BMW is erring in the side of caution. I would rather pay for what I get in my bimmer than a Porsche. What other car can you get the performance and the room and customer service at a decent price point?

I mean you could still enjoy your car and drive the shit out of it and take it when the new pump is ready and if some light comes on shut her down and hit the SOS button. At this point it will have to be flat bedded anyway.

And it's not like this an aventador which I'm sure drinks oil like a cookie monster hooked on oil monster.

I believe Porsche is right up there with Lexus in terms of reliability, and initial quality...
And BMW is not---just saying.

I understand that they are saying it's a bad batch, but when you have a a high performance vehicle like the M5 and it being THE M5, there is no room for error. There is a certain history, as we all know, with the M5 for a supplier to have a "bad batch".

[ORIGIN M.]

Bingo!

Originally Posted by Hoosiers

Ironically I just recently posted that BMW's lack of instrumentation (in this case oil Px) is unacceptable. If you've flown or plane or even driven any other high performance vehicle this should be as given as a tach. BMW is losing it's edge.

[AphiM3]

I was at BMW Welt yesterday and saw a M5 being delivered. Looks like anyone with a future delivery will be ok?

[IS3andME]

Originally Posted by babybeamer

If this is not a design issue (which is no more acceptable) and it is in fact a supply issue, there is still some explaining to do. I worked in process engineering in automotive manufacturing for a number of years. The same way it is important to understand the critical design features of a component that add value and enable performance, you must understand and adhere to process performance tolerances to achieve the required product performance for assembly and end user use. The only difference when the manufacturer is a third party, is the customer(BMW) must have the supplier report product performance data at the appropriate frequency for critical and non critical product attributes. Critical often implies a more stringent requirement(less allowance for variation) on an attribute. (Often times OEMs will dictate process settings to a supplier, supervising their equipment settings, to achieve the desired product performance. Even requiring them to seek permission before changing equipment settings in their own facility.) That data (usually called C of A for Certificate of Authorization) is suppose to be sent before the batch of parts that were tested actually arrive at your facility. This provides OEMS like BMW with an opportunity to review the data and put parts on hold or return them to the supplier as soon as it arrives at their facility. If an entire truck load of parts is bad you can even turn the truck around before it gets to your facility......That being said, there are only a few ways this doesn't stop nonsense like what is going on now from happening:


1. The supplier is not doing any measurements or they are and BMW did not review them in a timely manner
2. You are measuring the wrong attributes that do not impact overall performance
3. They are measuring the correct attributes but do not understand the sensitivity of the part to variance
4. Worst Case: It could be the interaction of more than one part. (i.e. Both parts in spec, but the combination of more than one part being near the tolerance yields a bad result)

Either way the responsibility rests with BMW to set the expectation and manage their supplier.

this X1000

[M52013UDM]

Hope that everyone impacted by this recall is swiftly and adequately compensated for their individual circumstances as related to this issue.

I received a call on Thursday 20Sep12 around 5pm from my sales guy who made the arrangements with BMW Welt for my ED (US spec) delivery that was scheduled for Saturday 22Sep12 at 1pm. With his concerned tone, he stated that I would not be receiving my F10 due to this oil pump recall issue and that BMW will reimburse me for all of the expenses that I have incurred for this missed delivery.

Currently, I live in Stuttgart and had made reservations for a first class train ride from Stuttgart to Munich, including an overnight hotel reservation for Friday and following up with the next day’s highly anticipated BMW Welt M5 delivery experience.

While my car is NOT on this AFFECTED VIN# LIST, until I receive further conclusive info from BMW AG, I will first assume that either BMW is taking a proactive stand to replace the oil pumps for all newly produced M5’s, or second for some other reason my vin # has not yet made it to this “possibly affected” list, or third there is some other “issue” that has yet been released to the public.

This is my second new ///M car and my sixth new BMW purchased within the past six years. I also have a seventh new BMW F30 335i that I will receive in mid-October and given my prior BMW experiences, I would expect nothing but BMW paying it forward by making it right to all of us who have been affected by this issue.

As a BMW loyalist, l will continue to maintain a positive outlook and not read between the lines with non-authoritative BMW doom and gloom BS hysteria that makes it sound like the sky is falling and now my 6 figure car has a resale value of a Hyundai.

Keeping it real!!!

[Bimmer6]

Originally Posted by M52013UDM

Hope that everyone impacted by this recall is swiftly and adequately compensated for their individual circumstances as related to this issue.

I received a call on Thursday 20Sep12 around 5pm from my sales guy who made the arrangements with BMW Welt for my ED (US spec) delivery that was scheduled for Saturday 22Sep12 at 1pm. With his concerned tone, he stated that I would not be receiving my F10 due to this oil pump recall issue and that BMW will reimburse me for all of the expenses that I have incurred for this missed delivery.

Currently, I live in Stuttgart and had made reservations for a first class train ride from Stuttgart to Munich, including an overnight hotel reservation for Friday and following up with the next day’s highly anticipated BMW Welt M5 delivery experience.

While my car is NOT on this AFFECTED VIN# LIST, until I receive further conclusive info from BMW AG, I will first assume that either BMW is taking a proactive stand to replace the oil pumps for all newly produced M5’s, or second for some other reason my vin # has not yet made it to this “possibly affected” list, or third there is some other “issue” that has yet been released to the public.

This is my second new ///M car and my sixth new BMW purchased within the past six years. I also have a seventh new BMW F30 335i that I will receive in mid-October and given my prior BMW experiences, I would expect nothing but BMW paying it forward by making it right to all of us who have been affected by this issue.

As a BMW loyalist, l will continue to maintain a positive outlook and not read between the lines with non-authoritative BMW doom and gloom BS hysteria that makes it sound like the sky is falling and now my 6 figure car has a resale value of a Hyundai.

Keeping it real!!!

Good luck, and I agree with the sky is falling mentality! Looks like they are making it right by all affected, and some will try take take advantage as the world is perfect. All high end performance cars have recalls, and last I checked Ferrar's were burning up and they are still great machines.

My ED experience was great, and your will be too once this issue is resolved! If I have to wait a couple of extra days so be it. The sun is still out so my 650 convt can get some reps in(:

[M52013UDM]

Originally Posted by Bimmer6

Good luck, and I agree with the sky is falling mentality! Looks like they are making it right by all affected, and some will try take take advantage as the world is perfect. All high end performance cars have recalls, and last I checked Ferrar's were burning up and they are still great machines.

My ED experience was great, and your will be too once this issue is resolved! If I have to wait a couple of extra days so be it. The sun is still out so my 650 convt can get some reps in(:

Enjoy that sun with 650 convt While I have been to the Welt a few times now - this will be my first delivery there and I am sure it will be a great experience like yours

[SlammedR8]

Originally Posted by dkreidel

Not really. M cars generally suffer much higher depreciation in the first few years over their generic BMW counterparts.

If resale was key you should have bought a 550.

Originally Posted by DanyoM5

A few things to note....in the first 2 years of M production...M3 M5 etc. They hold resale historically better than their competitors. I don't want a 550 nor an E550. I am talking about apples to apples. 550s are Great to lease because BMW used to subsidize the residuals. Don't know a lot of people that buy them since a 70k 550 is only worth 45k 2 years later. As a M5 in the first years of production because of limited demand will hopefully be worth 70k after 2 years. So a much better car for about the same loss. Though I will agree once the new model comes out or a significant change happens to model, then the old model will drop off like rock. And yes, a car is an investment in fun, not one to make money. Unless of course you have a 1929 bugatti.

Have to disagree with you in this, as many others have as well....M cars are horrible for resale regardless of whether they are first, second, third or fourth year model runs and also regardless of whether a face lifted model comes out in the third or fourth year.

I live in Canada and a friend picked up a 2008 M5 in March 2011 for about 45k, low miles and wasn't even 3 years old yet according to the in service date. The car was approx 110k new. While he did get a great deal, it was not unheard of at the time.

I myself picked up a 2008 M6 from Florida as I couldn't find ones I liked locally here in Canada and paid 60k for it, low miles, every single option and desirable color combo. Car was 125 brand new if I remember correctly. That's a pretty serious loss of value in just 3 years....over 50% on both those examples I gave.

So to say they hold their value in any shape, way or form is outright crazy and your dreaming!!

[Bimmer6]

Originally Posted by M52013UDM

Enjoy that sun with 650 convt While I have been to the Welt a few times now - this will be my first delivery there and I am sure it will be a great experience like yours

It will be better when the orange crush arrives. I bit the bullet sakhir orange M5, and love the color!

[Rob///M5]

Originally Posted by Bimmer6

It will be better when the orange crush arrives. I bit the bullet sakhir orange M5, and love the color!

For you Bimmer6...congrats. Snapped this yesterday:

[Bimmer6]

Originally Posted by Rob///M5

For you Bimmer6...congrats. Snapped this yesterday:

Nice can't wait! I was afraid to order the color, but when I did ED three weeks ago I love the color. Now I'm car sick again, and will look nice next to the monaco blue 650. (:

[1&done]

Originally Posted by NewYearsBoy

Issues already with a 100K car...???

And BMW still remains the most profitable car company...?