For all of those who are suffering from wastegate rattle, the solution is here

MissionPerformance · 05-07-2016, 02:05 PM

We realize that most S63tu and some N63tu customers that have installed catless downpipes are suffering from the notorious wastegate rattle. Until now, there was no actual fix for this issue, but this is all changing now.
We have developed custom mapping for N63tu that eliminated wastegate rattle in both Sport and ECO modes and now we are extending our support to S63tu platform. In the upcoming week, we are having one of the forum member's vehicle flashed so he can report the results to you guys.
Stay tuned.

NightM · 05-07-2016, 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MissionPerformance

We realize that most S63tu and some N63tu customers that have installed catless downpipes are suffering from the notorious wastegate rattle. Until now, there was no actual fix for this issue, but this is all changing now.
We have developed custom mapping for N63tu that eliminated wastegate rattle in both Sport and ECO modes and now we are extending our support to S63tu platform. In the upcoming week, we are having one of the forum member's vehicle flashed so he can report the results to you guys.
Stay tuned.

Can you provide Videos before and after.
You can do that since u hear most on revving. Tnx!! This is good news!

apexlocator · 05-07-2016, 06:54 PM

VERY interested. Please also let us know which catless dp brand. Thanks.

also, any N63tu owners who've had the flash, please report.

evilb · 05-07-2016, 10:23 PM

Subscribing

ur20v · 05-08-2016, 12:49 AM

Excellent news.

Any side effects?

TheHouseWon · 05-08-2016, 11:07 AM

Would love to hear before and after. Does it affect performance in any way?

m5james · 05-08-2016, 11:18 AM

There's a few companies who've been fixing wastegate rattle for years, so you're wrong there. I'm curious how software will fix a physical issue vs actually rebuilding the hinges that cause the rattle. Yes, these are 335's but it's very likely their turbos are made by the same people who made ours.

13M5F10 · 05-08-2016, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by m5james

There's a few companies who've been fixing wastegate rattle for years, so you're wrong there. I'm curious how software will fix a physical issue vs actually rebuilding the hinges that cause the rattle. Yes, these are 335's but it's very likely their turbos are made by the same people who made ours.

James, you are correct in that there has been a. Fix for waste hate rattle however I don't think the solution works for S63 and N63 customers. I could be wrong but I am pretty sure that's what I've been told.

On a side note, my waste gate rattle decreased when I switched exhaust systems. Hasn't bothered me as much as it used to.

NightM · 05-10-2016, 04:15 PM

Yeah that video is for n54. I havent seen anyone touch s63 yet

Edmguy11 · 05-11-2016, 07:45 PM

MCarsFan · 06-03-2016, 04:57 PM

I thought the rattle was directly linked to the wastegate itself.

NightM · 06-03-2016, 05:10 PM

They still havent provided any videos to fixing it. Lol

evilb · 06-03-2016, 06:47 PM

This clown (OP) posts about a software fix a month ago then disappears.

m5james · 06-03-2016, 07:22 PM

Dude was online 4 days ago. I'd still rather get a physical repair and upgrade the turbos vs a band-aid repair using software to hold the waste gate closed...seems like theirs gotta be a trade-off in doing it that way.

NightM · 06-03-2016, 10:11 PM

Lmao!!!! SoftwRe fix is like saying you will see a pig fly!!!!

Lol

ur20v · 06-03-2016, 11:21 PM

As Allmotor has said his new turbos rattle I don't think its the same as the N54 issue of wear in the waste gate arm pivots/bushs. A fix via tuning and control of the waste gate actuation is a possible solution and I know the JB4 has a waste gate rattle setting for the N54's already.

allmotor_2000 · 06-03-2016, 11:30 PM

I doubt a tune can fix this

MissionPerformance · 06-05-2016, 12:13 PM

Sorry guys, have been offline for a while since we have left for a group buy in middle east. Now that we are back in the states, we can actually respond.

Regarding the wastegate rattle. We have tested this software repair on a 4 cars so far. 3 euro spec 2013 M5 and 1 USA spec 2014 M5. On all euro-spec M5s, the repair completely eliminated the rattle and on the USA spec 2014, the software has substantially reduce the wastegate noise.

NightM · 06-05-2016, 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MissionPerformance

Sorry guys, have been offline for a while since we have left for a group buy in middle east. Now that we are back in the states, we can actually respond.

Regarding the wastegate rattle. We have tested this software repair on a 4 cars so far. 3 euro spec 2013 M5 and 1 USA spec 2014 M5. On all euro-spec M5s, the repair completely eliminated the rattle and on the USA spec 2014, the software has substantially reduce the wastegate noise.

Pics vids or never happen

Sorry but its better to show before and after if you can. Otherwise i have a better chance of seeing a pig fly.

m5james · 06-06-2016, 02:41 PM

Email worked last time I was in the middle east, so...

Send money, ask for proof and questions later, get frustrated because it doesn't work, replies for resolution will stop coming, everyone walks away with a learning lesson.

Whatever might be reducing the noise should just be included in piggy/flash tunes, not something separate...any tuners out there reading this? Either way I'm still curious why whatever is being used to "fix" the rattle wasn't incorporated from the factory...there must be a reason why BMW didn't hold the wastegate closed tighter.

allmotor_2000 · 06-06-2016, 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m5james

Email worked last time I was in the middle east, so...

Send money, ask for proof and questions later, get frustrated because it doesn't work, replies for resolution will stop coming, everyone walks away with a learning lesson.

Whatever might be reducing the noise should just be included in piggy/flash tunes, not something separate...any tuners out there reading this? Either way I'm still curious why whatever is being used to "fix" the rattle wasn't incorporated from the factory...there must be a reason why BMW didn't hold the wastegate closed tighter.

Guys - at idle, the wastegate is 'open' meaning exhaust is bypassed from the turbine into the exhaust housing and downpipe. The s63tu does something interesting in the Sport Plus mode where it keeps the wastage semi-closed to help build boost quicker. If that's what the software is doing, then you can just do that by keeping the car in Sport Plus mode.

When the wastegate is 'closed' - that's mostly at WOT. The way boost is regulated is by how much the wastegate allows exhaust to bypass the turbines thus controlling the level of boost the turbo is allowed to develop.

apexlocator · 06-06-2016, 04:28 PM

Maybe they tweaked the open and semi-closed position to be a little more closed??

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m5james Colonel 431 Rep 2,062 Posts Drives: '10 X5M Alpine White on Sakhir Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Marysville, WA iTrader: (0)	There's a few companies who've been fixing wastegate rattle for years, so you're wrong there. I'm curious how software will fix a physical issue vs actually rebuilding the hinges that cause the rattle. Yes, these are 335's but it's very likely their turbos are made by the same people who made ours.
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m5james Colonel 431 Rep 2,062 Posts Drives: '10 X5M Alpine White on Sakhir Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Marysville, WA iTrader: (0)	Dude was online 4 days ago. I'd still rather get a physical repair and upgrade the turbos vs a band-aid repair using software to hold the waste gate closed...seems like theirs gotta be a trade-off in doing it that way. __________________ '10 BMW X5///M - Alpine White on Sakhir Orange - JB4 w/ HCP Stage 2 BEF, NGK 97506 @ .20, SS tubing & BMC filters, gutted cats, AC Forged 312 22's, H&R 2" '98 BMW 740iL - ///E39 M5 6spd swap, fully built engine (sleeved, P&P, cams), 3.46 LSD, H&R Stage 2/Bilstein HD, Magnaflow 14816's '97 BMW 328ci - ///E36 M3 clutch & L/W flywheel, Z4///M 18's
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ur20v Captain 184 Rep 788 Posts Drives: F10 M5 Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: WA Australia iTrader: (0)	As Allmotor has said his new turbos rattle I don't think its the same as the N54 issue of wear in the waste gate arm pivots/bushs. A fix via tuning and control of the waste gate actuation is a possible solution and I know the JB4 has a waste gate rattle setting for the N54's already.
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m5james Colonel 431 Rep 2,062 Posts Drives: '10 X5M Alpine White on Sakhir Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Marysville, WA iTrader: (0)	Email worked last time I was in the middle east, so... Send money, ask for proof and questions later, get frustrated because it doesn't work, replies for resolution will stop coming, everyone walks away with a learning lesson. Whatever might be reducing the noise should just be included in piggy/flash tunes, not something separate...any tuners out there reading this? Either way I'm still curious why whatever is being used to "fix" the rattle wasn't incorporated from the factory...there must be a reason why BMW didn't hold the wastegate closed tighter.
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apexlocator Captain 243 Rep 881 Posts Drives: 2014 M5 Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: socal iTrader: (1)	Maybe they tweaked the open and semi-closed position to be a little more closed??
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