Why is everyone ditching M5

[PetrolFumes]

I see a lot for sale...why is everyone giving up on the M5? Is it for the more tunable F series M4/M3?

[Fantasm]

Highly doubt it. The M4/M3 ECU is not cracked either (AFAIK).
People are just moving out of them now or are getting hit with too high of bills.

[Fantasm]

Not sure what anyones replacing it with though. I don't know of anything that competes with it at the current time.

Everything else is either slower, handles worse, has worse electronics, worse transmission, no limited slip differentials, or all of those or a combo of those.

I'm over 11K miles I think on my 2014 now, and I had 11,500 on my 2013 -- I could be open to switching but like I said -- nothings out there right now thats better.

[bobblehead]

I ditched mine with 23K miles on the clock back in July (just shy of 2 yrs of ownership). Aside from my car's excessive oil consumption which was a big pain in the butt of having to go into the dealership almost 2x a month, the car was good overall ... just want a switch ... that is.

I would probably be back for the next gen M5, subjects to car's power (with AWD ?)

[stealth.pilot]

My sense is the sell rate is not unusual.

You got to remember that people who buy cars at this price point have high incomes and update cars frequently.

If you look at ratio of used to new M5s on the. Lot it is not as high as for Porsche's Panamera

[BarryB]

Selling mine because I got another M5 :-)

[PhilT3]

What I question is not necessarily the people who BUY and sell within a short period of time.

But I've seen MANY people trying to get out of their LEASE within a few months of contracting. Seems very odd to me. Why make a 36-month commitment and then turn around 2,3,4,5 months later and try to dump it. .???

[Stash21]

Originally Posted by PhilT3

What I question is not necessarily the people who BUY and sell within a short period of time.

But I've seen MANY people trying to get out of their LEASE within a few months of contracting. Seems very odd to me. Why make a 36-month commitment and then turn around 2,3,4,5 months later and try to dump it. .???

Unforeseen circumstance change or they are just retards.

[stealth.pilot]

Originally Posted by PhilT3

What I question is not necessarily the people who BUY and sell within a short period of time.

But I've seen MANY people trying to get out of their LEASE within a few months of contracting. Seems very odd to me. Why make a 36-month commitment and then turn around 2,3,4,5 months later and try to dump it. .???

I don't see that very much except on this board.

For why it happens - have a look at the thread a few weeks ago about "how much money do i need to make to buy a M5?" It is very evident that there are a bunch of people who financially have no business buying an M5.

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by bobblehead

I ditched mine with 23K miles on the clock back in July (just shy of 2 yrs of ownership). Aside from my car's excessive oil consumption which was a big pain in the butt of having to go into the dealership almost 2x a month, the car was good overall ... just want a switch ... that is.

I would probably be back for the next gen M5, subjects to car's power (with AWD ?)

You don't need to go to dealer! Each quarter costs $7-9!
And driving this car to dealer costs more than that plus you have to waste your time to wait for them to add the oil!

[PetrolFumes]

Originally Posted by stealth.pilot

My sense is the sell rate is not unusual.

You got to remember that people who buy cars at this price point have high incomes and update cars frequently.

If you look at ratio of used to new M5s on the. Lot it is not as high as for Porsche's Panamera

well I guess I skipped over this idea as I myself have switched my car every year for the past 3-4 years. some.of which I didn't list in my signature.

I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing anything. next question is where do you go from the M5. Maserati is shit now since it's owned by chrysler and you get a better performing car with the m5 at half the price...unless it's a ghibli then you get half the performance but pay less than an M5. is ferrari 458 the next step? I'm thinking I'll keep the m5 and in 3 more years have the Ferrari 458. or maybe go with an x5m or Porsche Cayenne Turbo/GTS and still keep the M5

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by MPowerrF10

well I guess I skipped over this idea as I myself have switched my car every year for the past 3-4 years. some.of which I didn't list in my signature.

I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing anything. next question is where do you go from the M5. Maserati is shit now since it's owned by chrysler and you get a better performing car with the m5 at half the price...unless it's a ghibli then you get half the performance but pay less than an M5. is ferrari 458 the next step? I'm thinking I'll keep the m5 and in 3 more years have the Ferrari 458. or maybe go with an x5m or Porsche Cayenne Turbo/GTS and still keep the M5

Go for M6
Seriously, I hear you! That's what I'm thinking about! what is next?
I have a list of R8, 458, McLaren MP4, SLS, or simply saving my money and get M6 LCI with CP! 911 TTS is a great car with no doubt, but for some reasons I cannot connect with this car. Maserati, Aston, Jag are not my type; however they are great car too!

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by Fantasm

People are just moving out of them now or are getting hit with too high of bills.

Originally Posted by Fantasm

Not sure what anyones replacing it with though. I don't know of anything that competes with it at the current time.

Everything else is either slower, handles worse, has worse electronics, worse transmission, no limited slip differentials, or all of those or a combo of those.

I'm over 11K miles I think on my 2014 now, and I had 11,500 on my 2013 -- I could be open to switching but like I said -- nothings out there right now thats better.

Originally Posted by stealth.pilot

You got to remember that people who buy cars at this price point have high incomes and update cars frequently.

Originally Posted by stealth.pilot

I don't see that very much except on this board.

For why it happens - have a look at the thread a few weeks ago about "how much money do i need to make to buy a M5?" It is very evident that there are a bunch of people who financially have no business buying an M5.

@Stealth.pilot and @Fantasm mentioned good points!
In addition, I think most of those people who got out of M5 were in wrong business with M5 at the first place! I have seen lots of threads complaining about gas mileage! Don't get me wrong. I dare to ask other members about their gas mileage to make sure my car is normal, but I have no complain if my gas mileage is less than 13! My previous 650i with over 100 HP less and fuel efficient ZF8 had 16 mpg...this is what I expect from a heavy, powerful and fast monster. There are bunch of threads people are complaining about weight and size! They need a smaller, lighter, the same power/torque (or more) with respect to RWD, front engine, designed as DD car and still $100K car! and those people somewhere else complain about the traction issue of their 4400lb M5
This is ridiculous, and that's why I said they are in wrong business!!!
For sure the next generation of any high performance car (including M cars) will be lighter, but I bet with saving weight and increasing power, there is no way other than AWD to be able to drive these type of cars as DD car!!!...
And yes for those skilled race drivers, RWD is available as optional

[PhilT3]

Originally Posted by stealth.pilot

I don't see that very much except on this board.

For why it happens - have a look at the thread a few weeks ago about "how much money do i need to make to buy a M5?" It is very evident that there are a bunch of people who financially have no business buying an M5.

Ok... I don't follow any other forum. So I'm only referring to this one. But, even still... It's quite shocking how some people seem to make rash decisions. And I would agree with you...regarding some folks 'have no business...'. I recall reading a 25-yr-old 'kid', who lives at home, leased an M5. Only to see him trying to dump it a few months later. I mean I made some bad decisions when I was young... But I always made sure to see my commitments through...and never such a large financial one while I was living at home! Goofy...

[M5LA]

Originally Posted by PhilT3

Ok... I don't follow any other forum. So I'm only referring to this one. But, even still... It's quite shocking how some people seem to make rash decisions. And I would agree with you...regarding some folks 'have no business...'. I recall reading a 25-yr-old 'kid', who lives at home, leased an M5. Only to see him trying to dump it a few months later. I mean I made some bad decisions when I was young... But I always made sure to see my commitments through...and never such a large financial one while I was living at home! Goofy...

This is so true with this younger generation with almost everything - cars, marriage, career, ... Many of them "just do it" without thinking it through. After they make the decision and realize it is a mistake, they give up immediately. Maybe that is the right thing to do in many people's mind.

[soooma]

Originally Posted by Fantasm

Not sure what anyones replacing it with though. I don't know of anything that competes with it at the current time.

Everything else is either slower, handles worse, has worse electronics, worse transmission, no limited slip differentials, or all of those or a combo of those.

I'm over 11K miles I think on my 2014 now, and I had 11,500 on my 2013 -- I could be open to switching but like I said -- nothings out there right now thats better.

Exactly where I stand now
I have 14k Miles on my LCI M5 now and I usually by now almost 1 year ownership am shopping for a swap but none in same Sedan category would interest me at all including the following :
RS7
Maserati GTS
E63 AMG

Everyone has a deal breaker for me except M5 (To some RWD is actually it's deal breaker but not me as of yet- Car handles like a real sports car should with menacing behavior and scary demeanor LOL

[soooma]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

@Stealth.pilot and @Fantasm mentioned good points!
In addition, I think most of those people who got out of M5 were in wrong business with M5 at the first place! I have seen lots of threads complaining about gas mileage! Don't get me wrong. I dare to ask other members about their gas mileage to make sure my car is normal, but I have no complain if my gas mileage is less than 13! My previous 650i with over 100 HP less and fuel efficient ZF8 had 16 mpg...this is what I expect from a heavy, powerful and fast monster. There are bunch of threads people are complaining about weight and size! They need a smaller, lighter, the same power/torque (or more) with respect to RWD, front engine, designed as DD car and still $100K car! and those people somewhere else complain about the traction issue of their 4400lb M5
This is ridiculous, and that's why I said they are in wrong business!!!
For sure the next generation of any high performance car (including M cars) will be lighter, but I bet with saving weight and increasing power, there is no way other than AWD to be able to drive these type of cars as DD car!!!...
And yes for those skilled race drivers, RWD is available as optional

I hate you when you beat me to what I wanna say M6-Coupe -
Telepathy! !!

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by soooma

I hate you when you beat me to what I wanna say M6-Coupe -
Telepathy! !!

LOL

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by Fantasm

Highly doubt it. The M4/M3 ECU is not cracked either (AFAIK).
People are just moving out of them now or are getting hit with too high of bills.

Can you elaborate on that?

[znammzM6]

I traded my 2013 M5 with 14K on the clock for a brand new 2014 M6 back in May 14. Prior to making that decision, I went and look at several cars that priced at 100-140K and here is the reason why I choose the M6 overall even though is not the fastest, most exciting, best handling, and sound best of the bunch. It still beat other competitor at other subtle aspect that "we" feels is not important (because a "driver's car" is more important and we drive daily on the street that are "track-like" so we need the most steering feel, tightest suspension, and superior grip at all time) until we don't have it. The M6 offers those subtle comfort while giving you 95% or more of what other car offers. Anyway, here is my opinions:

2014 E63 AMG S 4matic - while the car is AWD, sounds better OEM and is tunable, it doesn't feel as fast when accelerating on the freeway, no Head-up display, Navigation is relatively small. and the interior overall in the car while look more elegant is too old for my taste (I'm 29). For the M6, I fix the sounds with an Eisennmann Sport and is happy with it.

2014 Porsche 911 Carrera S/4S - this car grip is amazing for the S and 4S, no complain there, pdk is very good, definitely a driver's car. But where will I find the road to extract the limitation of of this car beside the track? Interior is average, very comfy, but still no head up and small navigation screen, and lastly, back seat and trunk space is not usable for long trip. Finally, the 400HP feels slow after you are at highway speed, This car it feels fast going slow while the M6 feels slow even when going fast. For the M6, the power is there waiting for you to push it even at 80 MPH, DCT is same thing to PDK IMO. Back seat and trunk space are much more usable and more comfortable for long trip.

2011 Audi R8 V10- very fast, sounds exotic, look exotic, but dated technology overall and not practical at all. R-tronic feels like my old M5 SMG but shift a bit smoother, jerkiness is still there. But the only thing the R8 really beat the M6 is it look cooler and sounds better OEM, everything else not really (not comparing handling because I don't track the car). M6 give me more than enough for street performance.

2015 Jaguar F-Type R - this is the "holy grail" car. When I drove this car, I feels that this have a little bit of everything that other have (R8, Carrera, E63). It sounds meaner the Porsche Sport exhaust on sport and like the E63 AMG when normal, interior is similar to R8 with better electronic, and grip is quiet good etc. But when it all said and done, the daily comfort and amenities are not comparable to the M6.

2014 Nissan GTR Black Edition - I don't think I can live with this car, people that said this car is daily drivable are either deft or have ADD so they don't pay attention to the road noise, drive-train noise, and a sort of other noise I have no clue it come from. way too rough for any road, and interior is quiet cheap for 100K. 0-60 in 2.9 sec, where do I really need it? 0-60 in 4 sec feels the same to me.

Finally, I decided on the 2014 BMW M6 and here is why:

1. The exterior doesn't look boring to "me" it is not all out exotic like the R8, not racer like the GTR, and not old and elegant like E63AMG S 4matic. The F-Type and the M6 hit the spot on exterior design in being on the right spot. It look elegant yet not old, sporty but not all out racer, flashy but subtle.

2. The interior is very comfy and head up display is something you can't go back on IMO. back seat are comfortable and can definitely use for long trip. B&O is definitely one of the best for the price segment.

3. The power - is all I need plus the BMS tune and E-sport and I'm a happy camper, I don't need a gob of power because I rarely use it.

4. Handling - enough for me to feel excited but not enough to bother me in long drive.

So that is the reason why I choose this car, Many people compares this M5/M6 with other sport car and keep complaining is not a driver car etc and so on, well is not made to be a driver car in the first place. I believe this M5/M6 is a grand tourer with soul, if you want to compare, use the M4 or the upcoming M8 (i8 M version). If you take this car and compare to other grand tourer, it win hands down IMO.

[znammzM6]

financially, it doesn't make sense for me either. I make 36K a years but I still can afford it lol

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by ASAP

Can you elaborate on that?

Driving an M5 as a DD car, costs you ~$1500+ per month! (including gas) if you lease it.... simple!