So why no 720 McLaren talk?

[URBAN LEGEND]

700 hp at the wheels, 3100 lbs, 9s in the 1/4. Vic?

[KMORGSM5]

Originally Posted by URBAN LEGEND

700 hp at the wheels, 3100 lbs, 9s in the 1/4. Vic?

Sick car and fast as fuck. Would buy over a 488 any day

[Vic55]

Its fucking bad ass car... the performance numbers are astounding. I guess I was waiting for someone else to get one and endure the depreciation because the 675's are suffering and so are the 570's. I guess there is no correlation between performance and depreciation especially with McLaren.

I think the best route is to grab a low mile 570S in the 160's and then tune it

but since this is about the 720s- say no more than its within reach (relatively speaking) of some amazing performers (priced much much much more) like the 918 and LaFerrari.

[URBAN LEGEND]

This car is amazing!

[py0413]

The coolest car to me at this moment.

[fkim119]

One I would consider picking up when someone hits the initial depreciation hit.

[Bimmer6]

Performance is kicksass, but same ole MAC will depreciate like hell. Met several guys in ATL with them, and same ole crap poor build plastic bits falling off. They’re not close to Ferrari craftsmanship, I will take quality over speed. As Vic said they can’t give away 650’s or 570’s.

[elitex]

I want one but definitely will wait to see what depreciation does. It will be a kick ass car around 250ish mark.

[Blackraven]

Any estimate on when the Spider (PHRT) version will come out?

[ARKONE]

Originally Posted by Blackraven

Any estimate on when the Spider (PHRT) version will come out?

Correct me if I'm wrong but multiple reviews say the 720S spider is at least 2 years away. I've been eyeing the 570S Spider because it's gorgeous but I think I'm going to stick with buying a coupe for now.

[Vic55]

Originally Posted by Bimmer6

Performance is kicksass, but same ole MAC will depreciate like hell. Met several guys in ATL with them, and same ole crap poor build plastic bits falling off. They’re not close to Ferrari craftsmanship, I will take quality over speed. As Vic said they can’t give away 650’s or 570’s.

You and I are on the same boat. We know there is faster out there but that doesnt mean better. Its just a shame that the car is so brilliant from a performance perspective.

[thebishman]

Originally Posted by Bimmer6

Performance is kicksass, but same ole MAC will depreciate like hell. Met several guys in ATL with them, and same ole crap poor build plastic bits falling off. They’re not close to Ferrari craftsmanship, I will take quality over speed. As Vic said they can’t give away 650’s or 570’s.

650s have certainly taken a large hit.
570s appear to be holding value fairly well, % wise.
Macca dealer on RL states the 720s have known issues with some plastic pieces around the rear not being well attached, but otherwise little wrong with them currently.

Bish

[Vic55]

Originally Posted by thebishman

650s have certainly taken a large hit.
570s appear to be holding value fairly well, % wise.
Macca dealer on RL states the 720s have known issues with some plastic pieces around the rear not being well attached, but otherwise little wrong with them currently.

Bish

The 16's (570's) are wholesaling in the high 150's and retailing a bit higher. The average msrp was circa 215k and the 17's are wholesaling in the low low 170's if not even lower with similar msrps. They just are not selling ... enough.

[M5Rlz]

Originally Posted by Vic55

Its fucking bad ass car... the performance numbers are astounding. I guess I was waiting for someone else to get one and endure the depreciation because the 675's are suffering and so are the 570's. I guess there is no correlation between performance and depreciation especially with McLaren.

I think the best route is to grab a low mile 570S in the 160's and then tune it

but since this is about the 720s- say no more than its within reach (relatively speaking) of some amazing performers (priced much much much more) like the 918 and LaFerrari.

Same lol I could eek my way into one, but it dropping as hard as the 650s would really kick my ass and I'd have to drive around in a c63 or something for awhile to recover post 720s lol, waiting to see depreciation as it seems to hit McLaren in all kinds of ways, for each model.

[stealth.pilot]

Originally Posted by Vic55

The 16's (570's) are wholesaling in the high 150's and retailing a bit higher. The average msrp was circa 215k and the 17's are wholesaling in the low low 170's if not even lower with similar msrps. They just are not selling ... enough.

Those resale values are similar to Porsche TTS for 16 and 17 right?

Have you considered test driving one? Even though you're not going to buy it I'd love to hear a review from an experienced car enthusiast with a broad range of brand experiences such as yourself.

[Vic55]

Originally Posted by stealth.pilot

Those resale values are similar to Porsche TTS for 16 and 17 right?

Have you considered test driving one? Even though you're not going to buy it I'd love to hear a review from an experienced car enthusiast with a broad range of brand experiences such as yourself.

I think they are depreciating even faster as the 991.1 TTS and .2 (16 and 17) start at lower average price points.

I could and should test drive the car but I'd just probably fall in love with it and make a mistake

[dgp]

Originally Posted by Vic55

I think they are depreciating even faster as the 991.1 TTS and .2 (16 and 17) start at lower average price points.

I could and should test drive the car but I'd just probably fall in love with it and make a mistake

How are the R8 v10 plus depreciating by comparison? Build quality on Audi must be significantly better than McLaren.

[Vic55]

Originally Posted by dgp

How are the R8 v10 plus depreciating by comparison? Build quality on Audi must be significantly better than McLaren.

The Plus Models are dropping in value as they didn't move that well. The non plus models are doing slightly better. So Audi appears to have predicted their residuals correctly placing the non plus values higher than the plus by 4% (at least when I was researching). This is very similar to the Porsche Turbo S and non S residuals set by PFS; the non S is always had a higher residual than the S by 4 to 5%. And now the AMG GTR has a 5 point lower residual than its slightly cheaper more streetable GTC brother.

I'm not sure about problems per 1000 cars for the Audi vs the McLaren though. My Audi is built very well, Ill say that.

[dgp]

Originally Posted by Vic55

The Plus Models are dropping in value as they didn't move that well. The non plus models are doing slightly better. So Audi appears to have predicted their residuals correctly placing the non plus values higher than the plus by 4% (at least when I was researching). This is very similar to the Porsche Turbo S and non S residuals set by PFS; the non S is always had a higher residual than the S by 4 to 5%. And now the AMG GTR has a 5 point lower residual than its slightly cheaper more streetable GTC brother.

I'm not sure about problems per 1000 cars for the Audi vs the McLaren though. My Audi is built very well, Ill say that.

Thanks for the additional color. Porsche GT (GT3/GT3RS) models continue to lead in terms of least depreciation for cars under 250k. New .2 GT3 is selling mostly over msrp but not aware of any used models out there for sale yet.

[dgp]

Originally Posted by Vic55

The Plus Models are dropping in value as they didn't move that well. The non plus models are doing slightly better. So Audi appears to have predicted their residuals correctly placing the non plus values higher than the plus by 4% (at least when I was researching). This is very similar to the Porsche Turbo S and non S residuals set by PFS; the non S is always had a higher residual than the S by 4 to 5%. And now the AMG GTR has a 5 point lower residual than its slightly cheaper more streetable GTC brother.

I'm not sure about problems per 1000 cars for the Audi vs the McLaren though. My Audi is built very well, Ill say that.

Do people lease AMG GTR? Those AMG GTs seem to depreciate quite a bit (wonder if GTR will depreciate worse) but maybe in-line with base r8 v10 and 911 turbo non S.

[Vic55]

Originally Posted by dgp

Do people lease AMG GTR? Those AMG GTs seem to depreciate quite a bit (wonder if GTR will depreciate worse) but maybe in-line with base r8 v10 and 911 turbo non S.

Yes people are leasing them--- while the depreciation balance is heavier, the payoffs will be lower for trade in's before term.

The GTS's have been ok with depreciation and are still selling at the auction around 100k (2016 GTS's).

[thebishman]

Originally Posted by Vic55

The 16's (570's) are wholesaling in the high 150's and retailing a bit higher. The average msrp was circa 215k and the 17's are wholesaling in the low low 170's if not even lower with similar msrps. They just are not selling ... enough.

Vic,

Thanks for the above. I’m no expert, but one reason that McLaren aren’t currently selling more cars is the limited dealer network imho. I’d love to have one but my nearest dealer is 450 miles away, and given the stories of minor electrical issues, etc. it would be just too much of a hassle to deal with even with the car in warranty. When cities the size of mine, Kansas City, gets a dealership I bet sales will take off.

Bish