BMW M Gmbh Headquarters and BMW M Studio - My Private Tour

EdM5 · 10-15-2013, 05:03 AM

Awesome info Stealth.
Good to know that we drive the same car as the soon to be four times WC F1!

Stash21 · 10-15-2013, 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Dionysus

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honestly I have no idea, but that's the reason BMW gave me when I was there.

More likely the profit margins are too low (or uptake too low) in the UK...

Experience has taught me that BMW AG are a very 'commercial' organisation & BMW GB being on the sharp end of the business may also want to minimise their risks by not offering factory collection package.

It seems strange though as unless there are tax issues (which seems unlikely given its all eu). The profit would be greater as transport costs would less.

stealth.pilot · 10-15-2013, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Dionysus

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Originally Posted by Neil McRae

honestly I have no idea, but that's the reason BMW gave me when I was there.

More likely the profit margins are too low (or uptake too low) in the UK...

Experience has taught me that BMW AG are a very 'commercial' organisation & BMW GB being on the sharp end of the business may also want to minimise their risks by not offering factory collection package.

That would be stupid of them because European Delivery drives loyalty which in turn drives market share.

Margin effect an be offset by charging for it. In the USA Porsche for a long time charged a premium for European Delivery and people did pay. Recently they made it free.

Jimbob169 · 10-15-2013, 03:06 PM

I for one would have taken ED from the UK oh well next road trip Munich!

stealth.pilot · 10-15-2013, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by EdM5

Awesome info Stealth.
Good to know that we drive the same car as the soon to be four times WC F1!

It's pretty cool isn't it!

bm323 · 10-15-2013, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by stealth.pilot

5) The Frozen paint is pretty solid and has a stronger clear coat than the standard paints and the key is just not to wax it or use products that contain normal waxes. Swissvax Opaque is fine. He actually said that it is so resistant to fine scratches and swirls that you could put it through a machine car wash. That was interesting, but I won't be the first to try!

Did M mention Dr Beasley's matte paint sealant, and how it compares with Swizzvax Opaque wax?

Greer · 10-15-2013, 11:42 PM

Thanks again for wonderful reporting!

stealth.pilot · 10-16-2013, 12:55 PM

One thing I noticed during the tour is that they also had a lot of competitor cars in the lot - Aston Martin, Maserati, Porsche, etc. As an Aston Martin Vantage was pulling in I asked my contact why someone from M was driving the car. He said they swap cars with Aston to help them bring competitive insight to their engineering efforts. He said they drive these to help them keep M on top.

stealth.pilot · 10-16-2013, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by bm323

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Originally Posted by stealth.pilot

5) The Frozen paint is pretty solid and has a stronger clear coat than the standard paints and the key is just not to wax it or use products that contain normal waxes. Swissvax Opaque is fine. He actually said that it is so resistant to fine scratches and swirls that you could put it through a machine car wash. That was interesting, but I won't be the first to try!

Did M mention Dr Beasley's matte paint sealant, and how it compares with Swizzvax Opaque wax?

No he mentioned Swissvax but he wasn't familiar with Beasley. Maybe it's not well known in Germany. That's said he recommended their own brand products as well. He did say that for shampoo you can use anything that is ph neutral and doesn't contain waxes. It's just the sealants/waxes you have to be more careful with.

Northern X5M · 10-16-2013, 02:22 PM

This is awesome.
The '14 M5 CP I ordered is individual paint/interior, but the pricing was completely bonkers. I got a very good deal on my initial agreement with the dealer but I have the feeling that they clawed back what they cut from the sticker price and then some when I added the individual options. At least if I can work directly with Individual, I will know exact pricing.
Too bad you didn't sneak a pic of that new X5M! I have a feeling the styling will not top the outgoing model. Still miss mine, especially in the winter.

URBAN LEGEND · 10-17-2013, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by VintageFerrari

Actually, the triple (soon quadruple) F1 world champion.

So explain this: how is this 4 time champ driving BMs when he is the Infiniti and beyond performance advisor?

Spinny02 · 10-17-2013, 07:30 AM

Stealth thanks for sharing. I also tried to het in but tried too late.

Thanks for sharing. My wife already want to sell the QX after less the a month so happy to know they have the next X5M almost ready.

Thanks again for sharing your experience!

kylek13 · 10-17-2013, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by URBAN LEGEND

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Originally Posted by VintageFerrari

Actually, the triple (soon quadruple) F1 world champion.

So explain this: how is this 4 time champ driving BMs when he is the Infiniti and beyond performance advisor?

Bc he probably owns more than 1 car....

stealth.pilot · 10-17-2013, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by URBAN LEGEND

So explain this: how is this 4 time champ driving BMs when he is the Infiniti and beyond performance advisor?

Same way that Lewis Hamilton drove a Pagani Zonda 760RS Manual when he worked for McLaren. He also had an MP4-12C.

FWIW Michael Schumacher's daily driver was a Golf GTI when he was with Ferrari.

VintageFerrari · 10-17-2013, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by URBAN LEGEND

So explain this: how is this 4 time champ driving BMs when he is the Infiniti and beyond performance advisor?

Don't forget that it was BMW who gave Vettel his start in F1. Back in 2006, he was under contract with the BMW Sauber F1 team as a test and development driver. In fact, when BMW Sauber F1 driver Robert Kubica got injured during a crash in the 2007 Canadian GP, Vettel substituted for him at the following event (the U.S. GP at Indianapolis). In his GP debut at Indy he became the youngest F1 driver ever to score points!

When Vettel went over to Toro Rosso in August 2007, I'm sure this is something BMW Sauber had to agree to due to his being under contract with them, etc.

Neil McRae · 10-17-2013, 03:56 PM

and infiniti suck.

JOHNBMWM5 · 10-18-2013, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by URBAN LEGEND

So explain this: how is this 4 time champ driving BMs when he is the Infiniti and beyond performance advisor?

Simple Infiniti cars are CRAP

Sales here are none existent.

stealth.pilot · 10-18-2013, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by johnbmw6

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Originally Posted by URBAN LEGEND

So explain this: how is this 4 time champ driving BMs when he is the Infiniti and beyond performance advisor?

Simple Infiniti cars are CRAP

Sales here are none existent.

Although Sebastien Vettel also has an infiniti Q80 and an Infiniti QX70S Sebastien Vettel Edition.

Stash21 · 10-18-2013, 04:48 PM

I think there's a difference between what you get paid to endorse/drive and what you actually want to drive.

I would be happy to drive any marque if i was being paid enough. Sadly i am lacking F1 titles.

mstmng · 11-06-2013, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Dionysus

Nothing to do with tax laws or registration. Mercedes offer a factory collection package in the UK.

porsche offers as well

bimmer-boy · 11-06-2013, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Stash21

What would be good to know is why I can't seem do European delivery from UK. Anticipating someone to point out the UK is in Europe, I mean collect from Germany.

+1

bimmer-boy · 11-06-2013, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by mstmng

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Originally Posted by Dionysus

Nothing to do with tax laws or registration. Mercedes offer a factory collection package in the UK.

porsche offers as well

Yep, so if other manufacturers offer it in the UK, it has nothing to do with taxes etc

It's just simple bs on BMW's part

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