2014 M5 Competition Package Differences

phelot · 08-12-2013, 06:02 PM

The power was supposed to be on the top end, but if it's really only about 15hp I don't think it would make that much of a difference from the power difference alone. Also I didn't want to take it past 6k anyways for any future owner.

Traction is more limiting on this car than anything else.

B-1Pilot · 08-12-2013, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ColdList

That is a very odd comparison you make. A buddy and I went on an intensely hard test drive of the F10 550i completely tricked out with Dinan EVERYTHING (brand new at dealer we know) and the car was amazing. Biggest complaint was that the suspension was FAR from stiff enough for the power. He was commenting on how he could not switch lanes NEARLY as crisply as I was in my F12 and how soft it felt. To put the comp pkg BETWEEN the Dinan 550i and the M5 seems very off base as the stock M5 handles far better than the Dinan 550i.

He's talking about his Tesla...

ColdList · 08-12-2013, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by B-1 Pilot

He's talking about his Tesla...

OK...whew! Perhaps I should read posts before running my mouth.

tico12 · 08-12-2013, 06:38 PM

Should be receiving my 2014 in about 2 weeks and really anxious.

Did you say that the LCI steering wheel was SMALLER? That's news to me...really good news if that is correct.

Can anyone confirm this?

phelot · 08-12-2013, 07:15 PM

It uses the M6 Steering wheel. It is definitely smaller in diameter.

Just_Joe_M5 · 08-12-2013, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by tico12

Should be receiving my 2014 in about 2 weeks and really anxious.

Did you say that the LCI steering wheel was SMALLER? That's news to me...really good news if that is correct.

Can anyone confirm this?

There are generic upgrades for the 2014 LCI which includes the M6 steering wheel plus other interior changes.

stealth.pilot · 08-12-2013, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by phelot

The power was supposed to be on the top end, but if it's really only about 15hp I don't think it would make that much of a difference from the power difference alone. Also I didn't want to take it past 6k anyways for any future owner.

Traction is more limiting on this car than anything else.

Did you notice any difference in the differential programming? the new differential is supposed to yield less wheel spin more traction?

Also on the steering, apparently they reduced the turns lock to lock for the CP to make it more sensitive? Did you notice that or was the benefit mainly the center feel which applies to all LCI cars?

tico12 · 08-12-2013, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by phelot

It uses the M6 Steering wheel. It is definitely smaller in diameter.

Woo-hoo

bm323 · 08-12-2013, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by phelot

Also the suspension was much firmer. Going over bumps the suspension felt more attached to the car rather than it feeling a little floaty and disconnected.

Was the suspension of the 2013 in sport plus equivalent to the 2014 in say, sport? Or different altogether?

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Originally Posted by phelot

The deadzone of the steering is more weighted even in Comfort mode and feels sharper since you only have to turn the wheel about 2-3 degrees vs maybe 3-4 degrees on my current car before you feel the resistance and the car responds.

This definitely made the steering feel better.

Other than the on center weight, did the steering give better feel?

ColdList · 08-12-2013, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by stealth.pilot

Did you notice any difference in the differential programming? the new differential is supposed to yield less wheel spin more traction?

Also on the steering, apparently they reduced the turns lock to lock for the CP to make it more sensitive? Did you notice that or was the benefit mainly the center feel which applies to all LCI cars?

BMW has specifically stated that the improvements in the 2014 steering are not equivalent to those specifically for the competition pkg.

BC87 · 08-12-2013, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ColdList

OK...whew! Perhaps I should read posts before running my mouth.

lol

Niko1414 · 08-12-2013, 11:08 PM

F the tesla!!! M 4 life

Neil McRae · 08-13-2013, 12:45 AM

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Fantastic car. It has its quirks but it really is amazing to drive. You'll start to see them in the UK soon. They've just begun doing EU deliveries.

It is not the M5 (and I do miss it), but with the Performance Plus package I opted for, it does handle quite well - in between my F10 550 M Sport with the Dinan suspension components and the M5. It's also similar in terms of acceleration. The lower center of gravity helps a great deal but the seats are rubbish for any kind of spirited driving. Minimal side support. A tragic flaw in a car that most can't believe is 100% electric (and built in the US!)

I'm hoping they add additional tweaks via software soon to enable a comfort/sport settings for throttle and suspension, and hopefully a firmer weight for the electric steering. Sport, as exists right now, is very good but I would like it to be a little firmer. The beauty of this car is that this is all possible with software updates that you receive over the air, as opposed to booking it in to service.

I hope you'll test drive one and let me know what you think.

I drove a tesla about 18 months ago which was the one based on a lotus chassis and was quite impressed. when it comes over here I will definitely give it a drive. unfortunately with the miles I do I suspect the range is a problem? I also like v8s

Neil McRae · 08-13-2013, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by ColdList

BMW has specifically stated that the improvements in the 2014 steering are not equivalent to those specifically for the competition pkg.

so steering on comp pack is different to steering on stock LCI?

Neiil.

bimmer-boy · 08-13-2013, 12:59 AM

Comp pack, car sits much better and wheels are growing on me. Can't wait till I see one in person.

Love the new led headlights! As for steering and suspension upgrades,
One poster already hit the nail on the head when he said bmw are addressing areas that needed improving from the early m5's.

JOHNBMWM5 · 08-13-2013, 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Palmnuts

Great to hear this John...one of the things I didn't like on my 2012 M6 was the steering which, after coming out of the Merc SLS, felt slow and artificial. It is the primary reason I went for the Competition Pack as that promises and even more direct rack (well, it wasn't for the 15bhp now was it

).

Glad you like the wheels I'm getting on my new M6 ha ha

I too thought they looked really quote bad in photo's and deliberated for a long period on what to do. However, after seeing a few different perspectives of the wheels, I think they have potential to look good in real life and in any case, I thought it would be easier to 'downgrade' to the standard wheels if I don't like them than it would be to upgrade to Competition Pack wheels if I later regretted not choosing them.

Those wheels look much better on the M6 for some reason

They just look a bit small on the saloon to me.

stealth.pilot · 08-13-2013, 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by ColdList

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Originally Posted by stealth.pilot

Did you notice any difference in the differential programming? the new differential is supposed to yield less wheel spin more traction?

Also on the steering, apparently they reduced the turns lock to lock for the CP to make it more sensitive? Did you notice that or was the benefit mainly the center feel which applies to all LCI cars?

BMW has specifically stated that the improvements in the 2014 steering are not equivalent to those specifically for the competition pkg.

That's common knowledge but it does not answer either of my questions.

stealth.pilot · 08-13-2013, 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Neil McRae

so steering on comp pack is different to steering on stock LCI?

Neiil.

Yes Jason posted this on this board about a week ago.

My question is whether the OP noticed it or not? I don't know if this ratio change is significant because he did not mention it.

Also I'm interested in the traction from the differential programming.

ColdList · 08-13-2013, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by stealth.pilot

That's common knowledge but it does not answer either of my questions.

My response was to indicate that it would also seem to go without saying that there would be a perceptible difference, hence the change and associated statement to begin with.

stealth.pilot · 08-13-2013, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by ColdList

My response was to indicate that it would also seem to go without saying that there would be a perceptible difference, hence the change and associated statement to begin with.

I don't know. These things are not always perceptible. The reviews of the CP actually talk mainly about the center feel which is also mentioned on non CP 2014 models. I've heard the brakes make a big difference, but CP is very subtle.

phelot · 08-13-2013, 12:40 PM

In regards to steering feel, on the very extreme ends of steering input, when you get close to full lock, it feels to get tighter faster.

Meaning near full lock, the wheels seem to exponentially turn faster. I experienced this going into a turn on the freeway and had to self correct what my muscle memory is for my current M5. It was turning tighter than I imagined for the current steering input when it was close to full lock. I had to back off on the turn a little bit.

As far as the differential, it feels to be a little bit more relaxed in that it allowed for a bit more slip.

The suspension in all modes felt more planted and connected with the car.

The steering weight has been adjusted to give it a bit more feel. It gives a little more feedback because it has a little bit more resistance. It doesn't feel as light in every mode and a little more direct.

Those were the differences I felt at least. Whether or not that is the Comp Package, someone would have to drive a 2014 with and without Comp Package to tell the differences.

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phelot Enlisted Member 13 Rep 45 Posts Drives: Porsche Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Los Angeles, CA iTrader: (0)	In regards to steering feel, on the very extreme ends of steering input, when you get close to full lock, it feels to get tighter faster. Meaning near full lock, the wheels seem to exponentially turn faster. I experienced this going into a turn on the freeway and had to self correct what my muscle memory is for my current M5. It was turning tighter than I imagined for the current steering input when it was close to full lock. I had to back off on the turn a little bit. As far as the differential, it feels to be a little bit more relaxed in that it allowed for a bit more slip. The suspension in all modes felt more planted and connected with the car. The steering weight has been adjusted to give it a bit more feel. It gives a little more feedback because it has a little bit more resistance. It doesn't feel as light in every mode and a little more direct. Those were the differences I felt at least. Whether or not that is the Comp Package, someone would have to drive a 2014 with and without Comp Package to tell the differences.
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