BMW U.S. June 2015 Sales

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by fecurtis

Hey now, I'm sure they literally sell dozens of those a year.

it doesn't matter if they sell only a dozen or two a year... (I am sure it is slightly more than that of course). The costs to produce variants of the same chassis is very small as opposed to creating an entirely new platform.

So... expect more Gran coupes.. GT.. and special models.. and also realize that even Low production #s still add to the profit dollars and the production figures.

I have to admit I felt the same way for a bit.... The 4 series Gran Coupe SEEEMS to make no sense when you have a 3 series sedan and a 4 series coupe.... Let's say they sold only 100 4 series Gran Coupes or in the month of June.. (I've seen at least 3 of those myself in DFW with new tags in the last month alone) .. that's an additional 100 cars in the 4 series column..

Same with the 3 series GT and 5 series GT.... Perhaps BMW captured buyers that were not going to go with a 3 or 5 series sedan... and the production #s get added to the 3 series and 5 series figures....

And we know that BMW wants to keep that small sports sedan sales crown for 3/4 series...

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by fecurtis

Could be seasonality. Most people aren't rushing to run out and buy a sporty coupe in the dead of winter.

this is US car sales from the month of June.. I know I am in the south.... and it may be a little hotter here sooner... but why did you mention *winter* in a conversation about June sales ? Are you in Australia or something ?

[Die ///M Rakete]

Originally Posted by V1.47fan

Well, if you can lease a 3 series for the price of a Camry, I'm surprised they're not moving more vehicles.

Ahhh...read the small print

[hellrotm]

The i3 US sales has to be a disappointment to BMW. I know they will not say it. But dealer lots are still flooded with 2014 models. Even with big incentives they are not moving. Their US sales forecast was 12,000 units for 2015. 4,456 through half the year is dismal.

[fecurtis]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

this is US car sales from the month of June.. I know I am in the south.... and it may be a little hotter here sooner... but why did you mention *winter* in a conversation about June sales ? Are you in Australia or something ?

Try giving my comment some context genius. It was in response to this:

How about the i3 selling to within 1,000 units of the 2 series YTD? Although I don't really understand how the 2-series outsold the i3 nearly 2:1 in June, but somehow the i3 is still that close. Was there some supply constraint in the 2 series prior to June?

[fecurtis]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

it doesn't matter if they sell only a dozen or two a year... (I am sure it is slightly more than that of course). The costs to produce variants of the same chassis is very small as opposed to creating an entirely new platform.

So... expect more Gran coupes.. GT.. and special models.. and also realize that even Low production #s still add to the profit dollars and the production figures.

I have to admit I felt the same way for a bit.... The 4 series Gran Coupe SEEEMS to make no sense when you have a 3 series sedan and a 4 series coupe.... Let's say they sold only 100 4 series Gran Coupes or in the month of June.. (I've seen at least 3 of those myself in DFW with new tags in the last month alone) .. that's an additional 100 cars in the 4 series column..

Same with the 3 series GT and 5 series GT.... Perhaps BMW captured buyers that were not going to go with a 3 or 5 series sedan... and the production #s get added to the 3 series and 5 series figures....

And we know that BMW wants to keep that small sports sedan sales crown for 3/4 series...

Yeah I know, amortize the cost over very similar models. Reminds me of when Cadillac built the CTS-V wagon. An automotive magazine, I forget which one, asked Cadillac how much they were forecasting on selling during the fiscal year and Cadillac responded that it didn't care, they only needed to sell about 30 to break even.

[Pauleebe]

Poor X4, really needs some love .. or a cost cut.

Originally Posted by Delta0311

Again that's because most BMWs are leased and the 5 series lease starts at roughly $500 a month for a 528 with a 10k miles a year allowance.

I'm almost positive that leases count as "sales".

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by dwalls90

I'm almost positive that leases count as "sales".

They do. Otherwise BMW's numbers would be a lot lower.

[bradleyland]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

Could it be that 2 series production is occurring at maxed out facility.....?

Haha, good point. Ties in well to your comments in the other thread about production capability at Leipzig.

[bradleyland]

Originally Posted by dwalls90

Poor X4, really needs some love .. or a cost cut.

I had a feeling the X4 wasn't going to sell well in the US market, but I'm pretty sure BMW built this car with the Chinese market in mind. I know I've read that the X6 is a hot seller there.

[Chihuahua]

Originally Posted by dwalls90

Poor X4, really needs some love .. or a cost cut.

Or it production needs to be halted. I saw my first one on the road this week, and I can honestly say it is by far the most hideous offering from BMW I have seen in the past two decades. Yes, I have seen the i3.

[TheBingoBalls]

There's really no point in trying to analyze this. I remember last year when sales of the 3-Series was down one month and people were saying ATS this, Lexus IS this or C-Class. Then the month after that the 3-Series sold a crap load. There are so many factors and variables that unless you sat down and researched all of this, everyone's conclusions don't mean a whole lot.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by tallshortguy

Wow 4 series is almost equal to the 3, I don't remember what the E9x coupe/sedan breakdown was.

In the past the sedan/touring has outsold the coupe/convertible by something like 6:1 globally. These numbers are a bit shocking, to be honest. I doubt that the numbers have ever been so close. My bet is that this is largely the Gran Coupe finally picking up steam - there has never been a GC before to bolster the numbers like this. And since it is priced only marginally above the 3 Series sedan (cheaper than the proper coupe, in fact), unlike the 6GC compared to the 5 Series sedan, it makes sense that it will begin to steal sales away from that model.

I also don't recall them splitting apart 3 and 4 series sales figures in the past. I suspect they've begun that practice at this time to demonstrate the growth of the latter, even as it also shows the decline for the former.

[Lt1camaro]

I dont understand why the 5 series sales are so low..

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by Lucky13

The surprising one is the Mini 4 door outsold the 2 door, never thought that would happen.

I'm not surprised at all. The only reason it didn't happen sooner is that it takes time for new models like this to gain momentum and show up on peoples' radars. In time, the gap will likely widen much more. The 4 door might not be very "mini" but people just want a trendy small-ish car with the most utility possible. The success of the Countryman is due to similar reasons.

I am curious how the new Clubman will sell too, now that it has four passenger doors. I think the hinged rear cargo doors with pillar in the rear window might keep this from being as widely accepted as it may otherwise have been. But I still suspect it will increase sales by 50% or more compared to the old model.

[Alpine F31]

Why does BMW continue to show "1/2" series in 2015 when the 1 has been discontinued for over a year?

[2M]

Guys don't forget the 4 has a coupe and a "grand coupe" , thats why its close with the 3.

[TheBingoBalls]

Originally Posted by Alpine F31

Why does BMW continue to show "1/2" series in 2015 when the 1 has been discontinued for over a year?

While it has been discontinued, my guess is that they're being transparent about it because there are probably 1-Series still on lots and being sold.

[E90M3JETS]

Originally Posted by bradleyland

How about the i3 selling to within 1,000 units of the 2 series YTD? Although I don't really understand how the 2-series outsold the i3 nearly 2:1 in June, but somehow the i3 is still that close. Was there some supply constraint in the 2 series prior to June? It's not like the 2-series got some kind of refresh. Maybe i3 sales are just tapering.

+1. Audi is up almost 9% vs. prior year and Mercedes up 6% in June. BMW keeps losing market share to its German rivals. Since January BMW has lost share every month to both Audi and Mercedes. To make matters worse Audi is launching its new A4 and Q7 soon while Mercedes is launching their new SUV line up. No Bueno BMW No Bueno

[akhter]

damn thats a lot of X5/X6 sold...

[akhter]

Originally Posted by Alpine3

Guys don't forget the 4 has a coupe and a "grand coupe" , thats why its close with the 3.

^ THIS

a lot of people are buying 4GC instead of 3. and since the 4 costs more its more money for BMW for essentially the same car.

6GC in HK has completely taken over the 6 market. Why not get 4 doors if its looks as good as a 6? A lot of 5 buyers are buying 6GC instead and the 6 costs a lot more for essentially the same car.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by TheBingoBalls

While it has been discontinued, my guess is that they're being transparent about it because there are probably 1-Series still on lots and being sold.

Yep, and come next year the 1 Series will return in sedan form, so they'll probably just leave it even after all E82/E88 are gone. It would be nice to see them split them eventually like they are now doing with the 3 and 4; hopefully they will do that.