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      09-19-2014, 04:20 AM   #89
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CAFE = no V10, shed a few hundred pounds and give it a 5-7% increase in power over 30 jahre and you have one killer successor to F10 M5.
Less weight is the way forward, not a V10 IMO.
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      09-19-2014, 04:47 AM   #90
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It'll sell, at least in Europe.

The rest is interesting, getting back-to-their-roots news.

Nice job, BMW.
it will sell a lot in europe

i see so many sq3's and sq5's on daily basis
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      09-19-2014, 05:25 AM   #91
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I am so glad I am leasing the F10. About time my lease is up we should know for sure what the next power plant will be and can make a wise decision then...then...
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      09-19-2014, 06:10 AM   #92
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Hi Scott, as you seem to be "in the know" whats happened to my M6 GC CP?.
It was built on the 8th September and still at the Plant
Did it get smashed/dented?.
Thanks if you can find out.

Uk Bound Chassis No: D87922*
BHAHHAH... after all your arguing with me a year ago about the CP not being worth it, you ordered one?

As the OP's post... a M5 touring with a v10 engine? I will be at the welt the first day I can take delivery of one.
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      09-19-2014, 06:13 AM   #93
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Personally I think this rumor is laughable, in an industry where everyone is switching to turbo or hybrid power plants there's NO WAY the next m5 will have a NA V10. NA motors are a thing of the past (sadly) even Ferrari announced there not making them anymore.

The only way it will be a V10 is if it's turbo...and then we'll get to listen to everyone complaining about the sound compared to the NA V10
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      09-19-2014, 06:17 AM   #94
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My gut says there is no chance for a V10 in any new non-exotic car.

I would bet on either an M version of a new iteration of the corporate V8 (98mm bore center) or possibly a new compact V8 sharing a common architecture with the new B* inline family (91mm bore center). The latter would remove the weight disadvantage BMW currently faces in comparison to the compact Audi and (new) Mercedes M177/M178 4.0L V8 engines.
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If only...

My favorite M was the M5 V10 but I cannot see the likelyhood of BMW going that way with the enviromental restrictions and current management regime.

The company is far too invested and focused on standardization and sustainability to go into a flight of fantasy shift like an all new V10.

Unless... They find a way to do something with certain Japanese manufacturer that also used a V10... Hmm...

I still say it is pipe dream.

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      09-19-2014, 06:40 AM   #96
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They are...
Not with IR in charge mate. The agenda has shifted to a more prestige and environmental development priority.
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      09-19-2014, 06:40 AM   #97
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I can see a V10 happening, I could even just about see a naturally aspirated one happen.

Yes turbo-charging is being used now to get the required output vs. economy/emissions, but --- if you put less load on the engine in the first place, then you'll cut the emissions and consumption anyway, and pushing forward with things like project-i is ABSOLUTELY about this idea... a hybrid supplimented system requires less effort from the engine, and lighter body (this will be a G-series engine, not the partially lighter F-series) will require less effort from the engine.

The Fleet average required to meet legislation is being maintained by these new smaller three cylinder vehicles so many here like to bitch about. So the next gen M engines can perhaps afford to distance themselves from the core range a little more again.

This is the future people, don't judge it by the S85, that tech is probably 20 years old by the time a next-gen V10 hits the market.

Will it definitely happen... I don't know, but you have to think that all the development and ground work BMW has been doing with project-i is going to start to pay dividends once this transitional phase is over. E is the past, F is the transitional phase, G is the future... and the future could be a smaller displacement 400hp V10, with 150hp of power on tap from e-motors, in a car that weighs somewhere between an E39 M5 and an E60 M5.


As for the X1M, M engineers then I assume will be doing what they can with the UKL platform... interesting.


Yay! A common sense response !


As far as an x1 M is concerned. I would love one as a daily driver ! That or perhaps I can find a great deal on an M sport of the current model to go alongside my 1M.
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      09-19-2014, 07:38 AM   #98
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Lighter Carbon Fiber Chassis, hybrid assist drive train, 4.0L twin turbo V10. These will be in the next M5.
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Huh? Who is praising it? Top Gear said the lag was horrendous!
Have you driven one? The lag is definitely not horrendous. Its almost unnoticeable.
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      09-19-2014, 10:02 AM   #100
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No... reworked s63tu. An NA V10 makes almost no sense in the lineup with its power/tq characteristics. A TTv10... absolutely forget about it.
Can I at least take a bite of the cereal before you piss in it?

Take a TT V10, add the electric components of the i8 with the carbon fiber chassis and maybe cylinder deactivation, advanced/active aerodynamics and why couldn't it happen?

Who knows, maybe they would be crazy enough to offer TWO tiers to the next M5/6 like the Audi R8 V8 and V10. One a TTV8 with 600HP and a TTV10 with 750 HP and AWD just so they can say F-You to the Hellcats/AMG/Lambos.
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Is this the hotter i8 or something else altogether?

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They are...
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      09-19-2014, 10:08 AM   #102
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Is this the hotter i8 or something else altogether?

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They are...
I'm pretty sure it's the joint venture supercar between BMW and Toyota.
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      09-19-2014, 10:15 AM   #103
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No... reworked s63tu. An NA V10 makes almost no sense in the lineup with its power/tq characteristics. A TTv10... absolutely forget about it.
Can I at least take a bite of the cereal before you piss in it?

Take a TT V10, add the electric components of the i8 with the carbon fiber chassis and maybe cylinder deactivation, advanced/active aerodynamics and why couldn't it happen?

Who knows, maybe they would be crazy enough to offer TWO tiers to the next M5/6 like the Audi R8 V8 and V10. One a TTV8 with 600HP and a TTV10 with 750 HP and AWD just so they can say F-You to the Hellcats/AMG/Lambos.
No... how much would this car cost in your opinion lol?
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      09-19-2014, 10:27 AM   #104
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I think it is possible, especially the V10 in the M5 and M6. In my country M cars are only available fully equipped, the only significant option is to or not to go with ceramic breaks, and of course individual finishes. This makes the car incredibly expensive to acquire, the M6 Gran Coupé costs almost exactly the same as a Panamera Turbo S in the US, which honestly is very expensive for a BMW badge. (Mexico prices are expressed after taxes, is a final price, I don't know if US prices are before taxes).

So we are talking about pretty much a super car, which represents a niche market where emissions consequences are things plausible to be paid by the owners. Maybe BWM could go in that direction incrementing the base price in the US.

But an M3/M4 going V8? I don't think that is happening, unless they increment the base price in the US which is very accesible.
62,000 USD for an M3 is a joke, for that money you get a 335i in Mexico.

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      09-19-2014, 10:40 AM   #105
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I4? That's a little much. I sure hope not.
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      09-19-2014, 11:01 AM   #106
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Not with IR in charge mate. The agenda has shifted to a more prestige and environmental development priority.
2016. The next phase of the BMW i8 philosophy. Less = more.
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      09-19-2014, 11:16 AM   #107
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If you remember the M5 25 Jahre which had an evolution of the V10 and was considered for the F10 M5.

Its interesting how far this has gone viral. When again no one actually read the statement properly.

BMW build multiple engines its a testament to the engineering skills at engine development in which they use ideas to not only make the best engines ever but test the water for future innovation whilst thinking about the issues of today which have to be met. A V10 could have innovative cylinder dimming to cut overall power or be combined with a hybrid drivetrain allowing an electric mode for city areas. Possibilities are endless. I never confirmed it was going to happen. But they have to think about the future of the V12 and if it would be here in 12 years time and options have to be considered.

A 4 cylinder in an M3 is not unthinkable in the future. Look at the i8 and its three cylinder and its less is more philosophy. It is entirely feasible for a four cylinder combined with electric drivetrain for further performance with a Carbon passenger cell and part chassis and body panels to challenge multi-million euro super sport cars but not at the same cost.

Why consistently bring up the NA argument. Stop prolonging the wake everybody else wants to leave that discussion.

In regards to keeping targets the multiple FWD BMW and MINI vehicles provide the levels to allow the BMW models to achieve their targets.
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      09-19-2014, 11:56 AM   #108
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Soooo does that mean the next M4/M3 will return to a nice V8?
RS4 has a V8, C AMG will have a V8, BMW M3 with only 6 cyl
They should go back to a V8! It's an M, not a 335/340i!
They need to make their engines exotic and sexy again
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Just make Touring versions for both the M3 and M5 please!!
The German big 3 are copying absolutely everything from eachother when it comes to models so why is it that both Audi and Mercedes have RS4/6 and C/E63 estates and BMW not even one!

Unfair me thinks..
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I think BMW needs to work on to continue developing more advanced newer, lighter and better performing than previous engines techniques. Has to offer which had not before and more sophisticated engines 4.0l V8 and 5.0-liter V12 engine for the Series 7 without being obsessed with horsepower. I wonder what would happen if in the next generation M5 offer a lightweight 4.0-liter V8 engine and only 500 HP Drivelogic with faster transmission and a firmer suspension and also do the 0-60 mph time in just 3.5 seconds?

New engines :

V8 Twin Turbo 4,0 L. 5-Series, M5, 6-Series, M6, X5, X5M, X6, X6M, X7,
7-Series, 8-Series, X7M

V12 Twin Turbo 5,0L. 7-Series, M7, 8-Series, M8, Crossover-Rolls Royce, RR Phantom , RR Ghost.

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