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12-19-2015, 10:09 AM | #45 | |
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12-19-2015, 11:32 AM | #46 | |
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I do have an MSR intake myself and can tell you there is a substantial difference over drop in filters. Trust me, I was a disbeliever too and couldn't justify the costs myself. I am glad I went MSR. If the intakes don't make power, the customer service from George alone is worth the price. Trust me on that one. In any NA / FI application, it has proven over and over that colder and direct airflow will increase the vehicles performance over stock. Common sense will tell you that having the filters inside the engine bay will be subjected to heat soak therefore decrease the vehicles performance.
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12-19-2015, 11:35 AM | #47 |
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I am glad to see a costs effective setup out there that will change the sound and give the car a more aggressive look over stock.
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12-19-2015, 01:20 PM | #48 |
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12-19-2015, 01:39 PM | #49 | |
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12-19-2015, 02:01 PM | #50 |
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I don't see them listed on the BMS website yet. Does anyone have a link to the product they can post?
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They are not listed on the website yet but we do carry them
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12-19-2015, 03:09 PM | #52 |
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Threads created for the intake and charge pipe in the commercial section
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Anyone ever wonder why oem's don't have cold air style intakes? They have hundreds of millions of dollars to bring cars to production and the best techs in the world and the best testing equipment. Maybe these race shops know more......
Like i said before I'm buying one my self but for the sound not the few hp in either direction |
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As far as the performance I guess its just hard to believe, an engine is a big air pump, an intake will make more power if the oem intake is restricting the volume of air the motor can suck in, more air + more fuel = more power. To make upwards of 50whp(75ish bhp) like some claim on a dyno with 0 "ram air" the volume of air would have to change by a huge amount! The stock air intake would have to have a sock in it by comparison lol, but thats not the case we have a well engineered machine, so its just hard to believe . I would love to chat with George to understand how it can happen and also if he had a way to measure an increase in the volume of air flowing in, like cfm's out of a turbo |
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You're right, the quality and customer service from MSR is top notch and world class. He has gone above and beyond his job duties to help us.
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12-20-2015, 09:42 AM | #58 |
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Everybody with an M5/M6 has the tool to measure airflow - it's call the MAF sensor. Log the data with any intake you like and make your own decisions.
I am not comparing or promoting/discrediting one over another, it's just about the data. IAT pre-turbo due to a CAI on a FI car doesn't mean much as the air gets very hot once it is compressed. The air also moves so quickly as someone stated, outside ambient temps have a more dramatic effect than underwood temps. Heat soak of the intercooler is far more detrimental to actual IAT (measured at the intake to the cylinder head). As long as whatever intake isn't causing restrictions, it will work. Easiest test is this: 1. Adapt, do whatever for however long and dyno the car with the intake of your choice 2. Unbolt the intake at the inlet to the turbocharger and dyno immediately after 3. Inspect results. If you make power, the intake is restrictive - you won't lose power with this test especially with the hood open. PS: DME doesn't use the MAF sensor data under WOT so when you unbolt the intake for #2, it doesn't harm anything. PS2: Most intakes will make power over stock when using the charcoal and factory filter element. To compare intakes properly and get an appropriate baseline, run the stock box without an air filter on the dyno Fun fact: Did you know the factory HE pumps only run when the charge cooling fluid gets very hot? Did you also know that running in Sport Plus turns them on all the time :-) ? Another reason to drive in Sport Plus all the time!! Last edited by allmotor_2000; 12-20-2015 at 09:55 AM.. |
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Burger Tuning do not show this intake as a compatible option with the X5M
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12-25-2015, 02:28 PM | #62 | |
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A Dyno doesn't show its true potential that's why I made sure to track vbox and race before and after to prove its true potential. You can do all the testing on the Dyno but if you're not testing in the street you won't get real life results. Allmotor is wrong about the difference of the msr intake and stock intake. For his testing is all over the place with different mods tunes vendors Ect. If you want to see my data please email me and I'll send it to you. I will show you how the stock intake temps rise and cool off in every detail compared to the msr intake. Vbox proven track proven and customers showing their gains after with even charcoal filter delete BMS filters gruppe M ect. all my data was to make the best product not to sale a product. I've been driving racing and modding BMWs since I was 15 years old. I always would make my own products for I was never happy with the industry. So here I am bringing my personal products to market. You don't have to believe and you don't have to buy any of my products but don't say my products are crap with no fact to your claim. Even allmotor talks about his testing on the Dyno no way you'll see true results compared to on the street. For example my M5 with msr intake dynoed 580 whp but at the track ran identical times of 12.0 as a M5 that did 630 whp that had piggyback upgraded stock intake and exhaust with identical 60ft. After installing the intake on this same M5 they went back to the track after two weeks of adaptation and ran 11.5 @ 124-125 mph. That's real data not bull shit. Even raised his boost to 4.0 and only knocked off .1 seconds and same mph. The intake is an unconventional design and that's why it needs to fully adapt. Name one intake that will throw misfire codes in the upper gears when not fully adapted. Or some have even gotten too much air code. So when ever you want to see my data or talk over the phone in detail I'm here 24/7. So many bash my product but not once email me for data are they scared I'll prove them wrong. At the end of the day there's a lot of products that people buy with no detailed data like mine, I don't bash them or the Company claiming mine is better. To each their own and I support their decision and anyone will tell you I will make sure to support their decision even if it's not my product. I'm an honost person and always here for everyone and even for the ones who have bashed my product. I've even given advice to thise asking for details in how to launch a car at the drag strip and I do it because I care even if they don't acknowledge me for it. It's all good For I'll continue doimg what I love no matter if I cant please everyone 100%. |
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2-3k is a lot for an intake [thats almost my race FMIC lmao], but again I'm sure you're not mass producing them the way, Cobb can do a big intake, so its understandable costs would be significantly higher. I think your data proves beyond a reasonable doubt that it is by far the BEST intake on the market with extensive real world testing. In the end its up to each individual to decide what is best for their needs. This is what I go back and forth with on the GTR and carbon ceramics, is it worth 8k+ to shave .3 tenths off my time or spend that 8-10k on bigger turbos and throw power at it to shave even more time off lol. |
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"one thing I gotta agree with you it seems every single customer is happy with his service and with the product. And it definitely sounds incredible!! I also really like the styling. " As i have stated in other post I believe that I am a lot more technical than most owners on here when it comes to tuning, I'm sure you your self have read some of the ridiculous posts on here by completely uninformed owners, also I'm sure being that for months you were the only one in the 10's you knew that we had some egregious over stated dyno's that couldn't be backed up with performance numbers. So as a result of all this and my understanding of how a turbo charged motor works I am extremely skeptical. For example a dinan piggy back is $3000 while the bms one is $600, the "rich" guy who got the dinan one will sit around at cars and coffee justifying his purchase and explaining why dinan is the greatest thing in the world with his $3000 piggy back. As an experienced tuner before you made your intake if I told you I picked up 5mph on my trap with just an intake, you would say no way no how. As fas as the performance I still would want to see it my self or a test with ALL variables stated, we of course all know how density altitude, ambient air temp, or even switching lanes can affect the trap speed. I applaud your commitment to this platform, and I also applaud the quality of your intake along with your extremely high standard for customer service. I apologize if I offended your work that was not my intentions. |
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