Tune and DPs on stock clutches. Would it be ok?

[The1stWright]

Thinking of adding a tune and DPs in the future but I'm curious if the stock clutches can handle that.

As of now I'm in no rush to start modding as the car is fast as is. I'm just prospecting as of now to get a good game plan down. Any help is appreciated. Even if I did clutches first then power mods I'd be ok with that.

[m5 guy]

From what I've been researching it seems it comes down to the tune and your car. You can ask the tuner to dial down the torque until you get clutches to help keep your stock ones alive. That's the route I'm going anyway. Downpipes with stock clutch friendly tune followed by clutches and full beast tune update.

[13M5F10]

Originally Posted by m5 guy

From what I've been researching it seems it comes down to the tune and your car. You can ask the tuner to dial down the torque until you get clutches to help keep your stock ones alive. That's the route I'm going anyway. Downpipes with stock clutch friendly tune followed by clutches and full beast tune update.

Agreed - tuner can dial it down some to slow the clutches to last longer. Eventually will still need it.

[mirob]

Originally Posted by 13M5F10

Agreed - tuner can dial it down some to slow the clutches to last longer. Eventually will still need it.

So unless one plans on doing the clutches eventually, one is better off staying stock? That's disappointing.

I was under the impression that DPs and a flash tune would allow one to stay on stock clutches if it's under a certain WTQ, let's say 650WTQ to be safe. Doing some research that number fluctuates greatly and goes as high up as 700WTQ in some thread posts, but I digress.

Is this simply not true or do DPs and a tune push you that easily past the threshold?

[The1stWright]

Interesting so tuners can dial down torque to conserve stock clutches. I'm assuming that's with a full DME tune not a piggyback?

[13M5F10]

Originally Posted by mirob

So unless one plans on doing the clutches eventually, one is better off staying stock? That's disappointing.

I was under the impression that DPs and a flash tune would allow one to stay on stock clutches if it's under a certain WTQ, let's say 650WTQ to be safe. Doing some research that number fluctuates greatly and goes as high up as 700WTQ in some thread posts, but I digress.

Is this simply not true or do DPs and a tune push you that easily past the threshold?

The DCT in stock form wears down as well and will eventually need replacement and the clutch life is all dependent on your driving habits. Adding more HP will just speed up that process. It's all just wear and tear.

I think with a stage 1/2 tune you'll be able to last a good 40k-70k mileage range depending on how hard you drive the car and driving habits.

Wear and tear is why you see such a range of guys experiencing clutch slippage in various power ranges. All dependent on the current health of the DCT.

Regarding the 700wtq comment, that's about the max that the DCT handle.

Btw... I'm not expert in this, this is just based on my experience and what I've been through.

[13M5F10]

Originally Posted by The1stWright

Interesting so tuners can dial down torque to conserve stock clutches. I'm assuming that's with a full DME tune not a piggyback?

Piggy like the JB4 has different map options which change power levels.

On a flash tune, the tuner can fine tune it and adjust Tq to help prolong the life of the DCT.

[The1stWright]

Originally Posted by 13M5F10

Piggy like the JB4 has different map options which change power levels.

On a flash tune, the tuner can fine tune it and adjust Tq to help prolong the life of the DCT.

What are you running now? I've been on the fence with a piggyback and flash tune

[13M5F10]

Originally Posted by The1stWright

What are you running now? I've been on the fence with a piggyback and flash tune

Sold my car, however, I've ran both the JB4 and later DME tuning stage 3 flash. I highly recommend going to a flash tune. The cars performance was night and day over piggy or stock.

[The1stWright]

Originally Posted by 13M5F10

Sold my car, however, I've ran both the JB4 and later DME tuning stage 3 flash. I highly recommend going to a flash tune. The cars performance was night and day over piggy or stock.

Got it, how was overall reliability with the car? Why made you sell it?

[13M5F10]

Originally Posted by The1stWright

Got it, how was overall reliability with the car? Why made you sell it?

Sold because of the huge depreciation that was happening on 2013s. Got out while I could. Otherwise I would have kept it. If you look at my signature you'll notice I went all out.

Reliability was great. Traded it in with 50k miles. Never had any issues except some clutch slippage around 45k. I was pushing close to 690whp

[The1stWright]

Yeah I understand that's how I ended up with a 2013 that depreciation is no joke at all. Glad to see it was reliable for you!

[apexlocator]

I have been daily driving my m5 with 650wtq for about 8 months now without issue. Of course I am not on it all of the time. But a good tuner is key.

[The1stWright]

Originally Posted by apexlocator

I have been daily driving my m5 with 650wtq for about 8 months now without issue. Of course I am not on it all of the time. But a good tuner is key.

What tune and DP combo did go with?

[apexlocator]

This was on stock DPs running a custom dyno tuned flash from MissionPerformance. Only recently did I go catless and will do another dyno session once I get my SSP installed.

[BPMSport]

I've had customers with our stage II and DP with 700wtq not slip, but many of them have. I've also seen slip in stage I cars with 600 torque.

I like to limit torque in the stage II tunes for those concerned about their clutches.

[The1stWright]

Originally Posted by Mike Benvo

I've had customers with our stage II and DP with 700wtq not slip, but many of them have. I've also seen slip in stage I cars with 600 torque.

I like to limit torque in the stage II tunes for those concerned about their clutches.

More than likely I'd go stage one with DPs and leave it alone

[Lerxst M4]

Originally Posted by The1stWright

More than likely I'd go stage one with DPs and leave it alone

Or 1.5 because you'll call him back in 2 weeks for that extra little umph because you know it exists...trust me.

[The1stWright]

Originally Posted by Mike Benvo

I've had customers with our stage II and DP with 700wtq not slip, but many of them have. I've also seen slip in stage I cars with 600 torque.

I like to limit torque in the stage II tunes for those concerned about their clutches.

Mike I'd like to get my car tuned by you. Just sent a PM!