Blown Engines (as in kaboom not forced induction)

[ur20v]

Originally Posted by m5james

In his situation, the N54 or even the S63...entire bad batches of low index injectors were out there and failing miserably. BMW finally administered a recall due to enough complaints (they usually wait until it's a safety issue, cars dying on the highway, etc before they get off their asses) and replaced ALL of my index 07 injectors with the latest index 12 injectors. I don't know if the S63TU has index levels like mine did, but I'm assuming they do. Business merit...how about a customer spent $100+k on a vehicle with notoriously defective rod bearings, drivelines, airbags and injector issues. Hold their feet to the fire vs letting them off as it being "just business".

James, This is the normal automotive business model for all marques, big all small. Go on any forum and you will see groups of owners having the same problems with out redress. The s63 isn't suffering the same level of injector fallers as the n54 did and the s63 isn't suffering from the same level of engine failures or plain bearing problems the e90 M3 does.

All we are doing here is devaluing our investments for a thread of little value or merit by continuing its visibility.

[m5james]

Just because it's normal doesn't mean it's OK. Sure, gone for the most part are the days of car manufacturers making cars that are ultra reliable...because that hurts their bottom line. The S63 uses the exact same injectors as the N54, so actually yes it is suffering the same level of injector failures. The S63TU uses different injectors, granted there are FAR more vehicles using the N54/S63 injectors vs the S63TU injectors, but if the S63TU injectors are still suffering the same fate, then it's still an issue as a whole and in the OP's case that also means it's likely to happen again. You referenced tire companies...it took some deaths and. video before Firestone finally admitted fault...did they only replace the blown tires or admit they screwed up and replaced them all? I don't know of any deaths, but BMW has admitted faults on the N63 engines as a whole, N54 and S63 injectors (I'm sure other platforms used them as well), so now they need to admit the S63TU as well. OP's engine bent a rod due to his injectors failing, so for them to not replace those same other worn injectors on an engine they still have to warranty is placing with fire...replacing the remaining injectors is far cheaper than another engine failure, but that's their choice to take that risk.

BMW is doing a fine job on their own of devaluing our investments on their own, they surely don't need our help That's also why I'll NEVER buy a BMW brand new...give 99% of BMW's about 5 years and it's easily dropped 2/3 of it's "value" because they're not reliable and overpriced. With that said, I've been owning them ritually since 99 so I guess the jokes on me lol.

[John@BPC]

We have added a new section to our site detailing our F10 M5 Built engine package.

http://bimmerperformancecenter.com/f...ngine-package/

[m5james]

Why can't prices just be listed vs being forced to call and sucked into a sales pitch?

[TheHouseWon]

^lol

[schnell1982]

lmao

[DenverF10M5]

Originally Posted by m5james

Why can't prices just be listed vs being forced to call and sucked into a sales pitch?

Trust me, you don't want to know the prices.

[schnell1982]

I'll guess at around the $40K range for the built motor not including labor and fluids etc..

[DenverF10M5]

Originally Posted by schnell1982

I'll guess at around the $40K range for the built motor not including labor and fluids etc..

Even that is a high price for a built motor. What would be your guess on the motor, turbo set-up, and clutch package? Installed.

[NightM]

Dme Tuning is Building his car for Less than 1/2 of that price if 40k

[NightM]

Dme Tuning is Building his car for Less than 1/2 of that price if 40k

[John@BPC]

Originally Posted by NightM

Dme Tuning is Building his car for Less than 1/2 of that price if 40k

DME Tuning is using a factory internal motor. Of course its going to be cheaper.

822whp/832wtq. �� DME Tuning x AutoCouture x Pure Turbos.
Mods: DME Tuning BEF, JB4, FBO, Pure Stage 2 Turbos, Meth Injection, SSP Spec R Clutch w/ Baskets

We're talking about a motor built to withstand 1500+ WHP. Different ballgame. Look at UGR's basic stages for the Gallardo, its a bolt on kit using factory manifolds and a stock motor. The next stages often double, triple, quadruple in price as components are required.

John

[schnell1982]

Originally Posted by John@BPC

DME Tuning is using a factory internal motor. Of course its going to be cheaper.

822whp/832wtq. �� DME Tuning x AutoCouture x Pure Turbos.
Mods: DME Tuning BEF, JB4, FBO, Pure Stage 2 Turbos, Meth Injection, SSP Spec R Clutch w/ Baskets

We're talking about a motor built to withstand 1500+ WHP. Different ballgame. Look at UGR's basic stages for the Gallardo, its a bolt on kit using factory manifolds and a stock motor. The next stages often double, triple, quadruple in price as components are required.

John

Exactly !
A built motor with all the work that your shop is doing is not cheap at all.
Anyone who is "building" and engine for 20K or less or even in the 20K range is maybe doing new upper and lower bearings, timing chain / rails etc. and new crank / cams / pistons etc

I do have a question for you about your specific build. Why did you choose to sleeve the block ? Is there enough cylinder wall material to do so or was it because of the extensive damage that was done during the engine failure ?
I am curious because I thought that these were already nickel coated from BMW.
Awesome build you guys have and look forward to more reports on how its running

[schnell1982]

Originally Posted by NightM

Dme Tuning is Building his car for Less than 1/2 of that price if 40k

Yeah but that is nothing close to the extent of what the topic of conversation engine is having work done.
for half the price you are getting all OEM internal parts with possibly upgraded rods, pistons and so on. And, lets not forget that these are shops we are talking about. They all get DISCOUNTS on parts and they are doing their own labor. So we can not take into account how much cheaper it is for them rather then what they would charge a customer walking in their doors.

[NightM]

Originally Posted by John@BPC

DME Tuning is using a factory internal motor. Of course its going to be cheaper.

822whp/832wtq. �� DME Tuning x AutoCouture x Pure Turbos.
Mods: DME Tuning BEF, JB4, FBO, Pure Stage 2 Turbos, Meth Injection, SSP Spec R Clutch w/ Baskets

We're talking about a motor built to withstand 1500+ WHP. Different ballgame. Look at UGR's basic stages for the Gallardo, its a bolt on kit using factory manifolds and a stock motor. The next stages often double, triple, quadruple in price as components are required.

John

That was last year tho,
Now or current is the motor is being built in Australia.
Other than that being built, its been more than 4 months. Sure its more in depth than whT we think it is. But all these can be just number or not or safety but time will tell on how the car will be.
Can't really go into details so far but its more than just a cam,rods,pistons for sure.

You just don't ship it to Australia just for those parts ya know. Lol

[NightM]

Originally Posted by John@BPC

DME Tuning is using a factory internal motor. Of course its going to be cheaper.

822whp/832wtq. �� DME Tuning x AutoCouture x Pure Turbos.
Mods: DME Tuning BEF, JB4, FBO, Pure Stage 2 Turbos, Meth Injection, SSP Spec R Clutch w/ Baskets

We're talking about a motor built to withstand 1500+ WHP. Different ballgame. Look at UGR's basic stages for the Gallardo, its a bolt on kit using factory manifolds and a stock motor. The next stages often double, triple, quadruple in price as components are required.

John

That was last year tho,
Now or current is the motor is being built in Australia.
Other than that being built, its been more than 4 months. Sure its more in depth than whT we think it is. But all these can be just number or not or safety but time will tell on how the car will be.
Can't really go into details so far but its more than just a cam,rods,pistons for sure.

You just don't ship it to Australia just for those parts ya know. Lol

[allmotor_2000]

There are many options for building the motor - pricing can vary depending on proven results, longevity, power etc.

So far based on what's demonstrated on this platform, a built motor isn't going to make more power than stock. I don't really see anybody above 860whp and 876wtq built or not. A built motor, however, will be much more durable, have longevity and capability to withstand additional power when people figure out how to actually make that level of power.

Re. price. I am not going to get into this. Market determines price. It's like remodeling your home. You can pay a contractor to handle everything (at a premium) or you can do everything yourself at the other extreme. The middle-point is to do the 'contracting' yourself but obviously have to be well-versed in the industry, engine building technology, etc. etc.

[schnell1982]

Originally Posted by allmotor_2000

There are many options for building the motor - pricing can vary depending on proven results, longevity, power etc.

So far based on what's demonstrated on this platform, a built motor isn't going to make more power than stock. I don't really see anybody above 860whp and 876wtq built or not. A built motor, however, will be much more durable, have longevity and capability to withstand additional power when people figure out how to actually make that level of power.

Re. price. I am not going to get into this. Market determines price. It's like remodeling your home. You can pay a contractor to handle everything (at a premium) or you can do everything yourself at the other extreme. The middle-point is to do the 'contracting' yourself but obviously have to be well-versed in the industry, engine building technology, etc. etc.

I agree with you about not seeing anyone making 900WHP
Even 800WHP on a dynojet is incredibly powerful.
Even with a built motor, something will break at some point. Its the nature of the beast and its how things go.
.

[NightM]

That has been crossed already last year
900whp/980wtrq
On dj
Stock motor


https://instagram.com/p/BLzqJYDjD59/

[schnell1982]

Originally Posted by NightM

That has been crossed already last year
900whp/980wtrq
On dj
Stock motor


https://instagram.com/p/BLzqJYDjD59/

Those are Dyno Jet numbers so lets take those numbers back down to reality and on a Mustang dyno it would be around 720 WHP & 786 FTLB ....

But regardless it is impressive numbers. Dyno numbers are 1 thing (that's all I can ever find on that blue M5) but longevity and how well the vehicle actually preforms is more important to myself.
I am not hating in any way. Just my opinion.

[allmotor_2000]

Originally Posted by NightM

That has been crossed already last year
900whp/980wtrq
On dj
Stock motor


https://instagram.com/p/BLzqJYDjD59/

Dude.. Nitrous doesn't count.

[DenverF10M5]

Originally Posted by schnell1982

Those are Dyno Jet numbers so lets take those numbers back down to reality and on a Mustang dyno it would be around 720 WHP & 786 FTLB ....

But regardless it is impressive numbers. Dyno numbers are 1 thing (that's all I can ever find on that blue M5) but longevity and how well the vehicle actually preforms is more important to myself.
I am not hating in any way. Just my opinion.

I wasn't aware of the Mustang dyno giving the most realistic numbers. If that is the case, then why doesn't anyone use that dyno?