So I am in love

freezey · 10-08-2015, 07:24 PM

I have an F80 M3 and today I figured let me go test drive the M5 because I still felt something was missing. The M3 is far more playful as we all know but that M5 just feels like more of monster. I love my F80 but when sitting in that M5 and driving it it was a world of a difference.

My main issue right now the one I test drove is automatic. Anyone rocking stick in this car? Anyone who has stick live in Bergen county NJ? I'd love to take a look at the car.

MyF15+F85 · 10-08-2015, 08:19 PM

You did not test drive an automatic...
You have driven an ultimate manual with ultimate SMG.
It is ( in my opinion the pinnacle of the driving pleasure ) an essence of
automotive power, luxury and total refinement ...
Manual will not please you as much as the SMG does ( my opinion )

Bimmer6 · 10-08-2015, 08:57 PM

SMG is gone ......DCT is the now(:

E90potentialbuyer · 10-08-2015, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Bimmer6

SMG is gone ......DCT is the now(:

Haha this is hilarious! Took three posts to get it right.

Automatic -> SMG -> DCT

M6-Coupe · 10-08-2015, 09:07 PM

You guys (all) mean M-DCT ?

freezey · 10-08-2015, 09:17 PM

I don't know. I haven't drove an automatic car before so this nonsense may not fly.

SF_DCT · 10-09-2015, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by freezey

I don't know. I haven't drove an automatic car before so this nonsense may not fly.

watch this:

DingolfingLove · 10-09-2015, 01:19 AM

Automatic -> SMG -> DCT > Getrag GS7D36BG M Double-Clutch Transmission (DCT) with Drivelogic !!

Good video, it sums it up nicely.

A manual transmission is sublime in a Caterham, but for me regardless how good the manual gearbox is, the M-DCT suits the car and makes it a usable daily drive.

Tanin · 10-09-2015, 02:49 AM

Freezy,
It's tough swimming against the current but if you are asking the question, you already know your answer. Unfortunately, I'm in S.Cal but if I can address any questions regarding the manual transmission let me know.

freezey · 10-09-2015, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Tanin

Freezy,
It's tough swimming against the current but if you are asking the question, you already know your answer. Unfortunately, I'm in S.Cal but if I can address any questions regarding the manual transmission let me know.

Good thing I am a strong swimmer. So how does it ride in manual? Some say it's like driving a truck but I doubt that.

RPiM5 · 10-09-2015, 08:29 AM

Finally, someone with their head on straight. Now I know I'm not the crazy one. Forget the manual. Yes it's a great thing that BMW actually designed and built a 6MT F10 M5, but it really was only done to satisfy the American market. BMW simply didn't want another backlash as with what happened when the released the 2006 M5 with only an SMG Transmission option. In the F10 M5 the 6MT has long throws the clutch isn't that well balanced and it slows the car down considerably. Although I will say that you can definitely feel the heart and soul of the car much more through the stick compared to the DCT shifter knob which feels like a lifeless system, like the fly by wire system on the General Dynamics F-16 Fighting Falcon, it's still a vastly superior system than the old cable and pulley flight control system.

MCarsFan · 10-09-2015, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by RPiM5

Finally, someone with their head on straight. Now I know I'm not the crazy one. Forget the manual. Yes it's a great thing that BMW actually designed and built a 6MT F10 M5, but it really was only done to satisfy the American market. BMW simply didn't want another backlash as with what happened when the released the 2006 M5 with only an SMG Transmission option. In the F10 M5 the 6MT has long throws the clutch isn't that well balanced and it slows the car down considerably. Although I will say that you can definitely feel the heart and soul of the car much more through the stick compared to the DCT shifter knob which feels like a lifeless system, like the fly by wire system on the General Dynamics F-16 Fighting Falcon, it's still a vastly superior system than the old cable and pulley flight control system.

Maybe RPiM5, but driving one, I did enjoy that less refined more raw feeling...practically M-DCT is superior but sometimes it's good to return to our roots..

RPiM5 · 10-09-2015, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by MCarsFan

Maybe RPiM5, but driving one, I did enjoy that less refined more raw feeling...practically M-DCT is superior but sometimes it's good to return to our roots..

Don't get me wrong, I completely agree. I've never owned a car with a pure automatic transmission. Every BMW I ever owned was a 6MT, except the E60 M5 and the F10 M5. I have always found that the 6MT really benefits lower horsepower and torque BMW's more. I had a 6MT BMW 330i back in the day and that was one of the best manual cars I have ever driven. Another great example is the F80 M3, it feels great, not Porsche great, but still great. I also felt that the 5MT in the Fiat Abarth felt 10x better than the 6MT in the F10 M5. Some cars are just more suited to being a manual. It feels to me that BMW designed an F10 M5/ F13 M6 with a 6MT only because they had to and not because they wanted to.

Anyways this is an old debate. Lets just let the OP decide for himself. I am only trying to dispense advice given my own experiences.

MCarsFan · 10-09-2015, 08:52 AM

Of course.

uhn2000 · 10-09-2015, 10:22 AM

Having owned a 6MT M5 and DCT M6 I will say that the engine is definitely more aligned with the DCT.

chong0 · 10-09-2015, 01:55 PM

head up to boston, happy to let you go for a run but bring up the m3!

boots · 10-10-2015, 01:01 PM

Drkev lives in NY w a manual.

freezey · 10-10-2015, 05:10 PM

Good to know. DRKev if you're around and wouldn't mind

10-08-2015, 07:24 PM	#1
freezey Captain 160 Rep 625 Posts Drives: 2018 M3 Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Bergen County, NJ iTrader: (0)	So I am in love I have an F80 M3 and today I figured let me go test drive the M5 because I still felt something was missing. The M3 is far more playful as we all know but that M5 just feels like more of monster. I love my F80 but when sitting in that M5 and driving it it was a world of a difference. My main issue right now the one I test drove is automatic. Anyone rocking stick in this car? Anyone who has stick live in Bergen county NJ? I'd love to take a look at the car.
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MyF15+F85 First Lieutenant 50 Rep 388 Posts Drives: 2015 F85 and 2015 F15 Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Hamilton ON iTrader: (0)	M5 You did not test drive an automatic... You have driven an ultimate manual with ultimate SMG. It is ( in my opinion the pinnacle of the driving pleasure ) an essence of automotive power, luxury and total refinement ... Manual will not please you as much as the SMG does ( my opinion )
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10-08-2015, 09:17 PM	#6
freezey Captain 160 Rep 625 Posts Drives: 2018 M3 Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Bergen County, NJ iTrader: (0)	I don't know. I haven't drove an automatic car before so this nonsense may not fly.
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10-09-2015, 01:19 AM	#8
DingolfingLove Private First Class 40 Rep 158 Posts Drives: 2019 M5 Comp Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: London iTrader: (0)	Automatic -> SMG -> DCT > Getrag GS7D36BG M Double-Clutch Transmission (DCT) with Drivelogic !! Good video, it sums it up nicely. A manual transmission is sublime in a Caterham, but for me regardless how good the manual gearbox is, the M-DCT suits the car and makes it a usable daily drive.
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10-09-2015, 02:49 AM	#9
Tanin Private First Class 34 Rep 175 Posts Drives: BMW Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: SoCal iTrader: (0)	Freezy, It's tough swimming against the current but if you are asking the question, you already know your answer. Unfortunately, I'm in S.Cal but if I can address any questions regarding the manual transmission let me know. __________________ 2015 M5 6MT Silverstone / Sakhir Orange CP,MPE(Ti Tips),GA1R 20x9.5/10.5(Brushed),KW v3, Dinan Sways, AMS DP's(Catted), Bel StiR+, ALP Quad
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RPiM5 Major General 2870 Rep 7,885 Posts Drives: Black M5 Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Earth 616 iTrader: (0)	Finally, someone with their head on straight. Now I know I'm not the crazy one. Forget the manual. Yes it's a great thing that BMW actually designed and built a 6MT F10 M5, but it really was only done to satisfy the American market. BMW simply didn't want another backlash as with what happened when the released the 2006 M5 with only an SMG Transmission option. In the F10 M5 the 6MT has long throws the clutch isn't that well balanced and it slows the car down considerably. Although I will say that you can definitely feel the heart and soul of the car much more through the stick compared to the DCT shifter knob which feels like a lifeless system, like the fly by wire system on the General Dynamics F-16 Fighting Falcon, it's still a vastly superior system than the old cable and pulley flight control system. __________________
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uhn2000 Big K... 171 Rep 1,717 Posts Drives: M3CS BX7 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Toronto, Ontario iTrader: (0)	Having owned a 6MT M5 and DCT M6 I will say that the engine is definitely more aligned with the DCT. __________________ Many fun toys... M3CS XB7 FTW!
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10-10-2015, 05:10 PM	#18
freezey Captain 160 Rep 625 Posts Drives: 2018 M3 Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Bergen County, NJ iTrader: (0)	Good to know. DRKev if you're around and wouldn't mind
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