F90 M5 Review (Carwow)

[IANNUZZI]

Originally Posted by thebishman

BMW has in many ways ‘neutered’ the M Division. So many BMWs now come equipped with an ‘M’ badge even if they’re not an actual ‘M’ car. Combine that with the dilution of the actual sport in the true ‘M’ cars, and there’s just not much to get overly excited about with modern top of the line BMWs; I don’t care how fast in a straight line they are.

IMHO the new E63S is a far more ‘exciting’ vehicle on every level.

Bish

This will be the quickest and fastest M ever built, that is not neutering!

Considering they added a much needed awd system, without a weight penalty, BMW has taken a step in the right direction with this new M5.

[bm323]

Originally Posted by IANNUZZI

This will be the quickest and fastest M ever built, that is not neutering!

Considering they added a much needed awd system, without a weight penalty, BMW has taken a step in the right direction with this new M5.

Yup, people are generally missing the point, the AMG is heavier than the M5 and I expect the M5 remains the more driver focussed car; the AMG had been faster in a straight line but may well not be so, straight line or imo almost certainly on the track.

[IANNUZZI]

Originally Posted by bm323

Yup, people are generally missing the point, the AMG is heavier than the M5 and I expect the M5 remains the more driver focussed car; the AMG had been faster in a straight line but may well not be so, straight line or imo almost certainly on the track.

It won’t be long before this new M5 will be smokin’ P100Ds with just a tune and radials//M

[Vic55]

Originally Posted by IANNUZZI

It won’t be long before this new M5 will be smokin’ P100Ds with just a tune and radials//M

How long did it take for the F10 to get a tune? I had my first F10 in Oct of 2012 and I dont think they even had a piggy for well over a year if not longer.

RENNTech has their shelf tune running the E63 in the 10's at 130 already

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=ZpORXMAWzA0

[IANNUZZI]

Originally Posted by Vic55

How long did it take for the F10 to get a tune? I had my first F10 in Oct of 2012 and I dont think they even had a piggy for well over a year if not longer.

RENNTech has their shelf tune running the E63 in the 10's at 130 already

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=ZpORXMAWzA0

It’s not a new motor, it’s the same s63 with a tech update so JB will have a PB, unless of course the f10 adapter is straight-up retrofit.

I know the e63 has a tune, should beat a p100d from a roll and close from a dig

[Vic55]

Originally Posted by IANNUZZI

It’s not a new motor, it’s the same s63 with a tech update so JB will have a PB, unless of course the f10 adapter is straight-up retrofit.

I know the e63 has a tune, should beat a p100d from a roll and close from a dig

the latest tests have the E63 with a tune pulling 2.78 seconds to 60 so thats still slower but who cares when there is an exhaust roaring!!!!!!!

[IANNUZZI]

Originally Posted by Vic55

the latest tests have the E63 with a tune pulling 2.78 seconds to 60 so thats still slower but who cares when there is an exhaust roaring!!!!!!!

Exactly, in the 1/4 The P100DL is hard to beat, but not a problem from a roll as the 100d does 125mph in the 1/4, considerably lower than the 130mph tune-only e63...When spending that kind of money, why not have it all! Have you heard the new M5 with bmw sport exhaust, better than the F10 4sure

[Vic55]

Originally Posted by IANNUZZI

Exactly, in the 1/4 The P100DL is hard to beat, but not a problem from a roll as the 100d does 125mph in the 1/4, considerably lower than the 130mph tune-only e63...When spending that kind of money, why not have it all! Have you heard the new M5 with bmw sport exhaust, better than the F10 4sure

I just watched a few videos, very much an improvement; barks and pops!!

The F10 was just a sheer disappointment to me from an external exhaust and then that damn sound symposium was stupid. I had to buy an exhaust for my first F10 M5 and F13 M6, my last F10 (2016) had the M Performance aka Akra on it and that was pretty damn good.

[Phatcat]

Originally Posted by IANNUZZI

It’s not a new motor, it’s the same s63 with a tech update so JB will have a PB, unless of course the f10 adapter is straight-up retrofit.

I know the e63 has a tune, should beat a p100d from a roll and close from a dig

I have the P100DL, yeah in ideal situation when you can properly launch the E63S maybe it can run close to the Tesla but in real world it's really no contest. Tesla is just so easy to launch.

However, if I can pick only one car I would still take my M5.

[bm323]

The steering on the M5 is better

http://g30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1448182

[IANNUZZI]

Originally Posted by Phatcat

I have the P100DL, yeah in ideal situation when you can properly launch the E63S maybe it can run close to the Tesla but in real world it's really no contest. Tesla is just so easy to launch.

However, if I can pick only one car I would still take my M5.

Yes, the Tesla is an animal from a stop, they would need a tune and drag radials to come close. However from a roll these tune-only Germans will destroy a P100D.

[Phatcat]

Originally Posted by IANNUZZI

Yes, the Tesla is an animal from a stop, they would need a tune and drag radials to come close. However from a roll these tune-only Germans will destroy a P100D.

Yeah no doubt, Tesla runs out of steam pretty quickly.

[TrevorM3]

i plan to burn v8 fuel as long as i can. fuck tesla.

[Mspired]

Originally Posted by Vic55

Several recent reviews have said the same thing; the M is more docile in its sound and looks. While I am biased cause I have an E63S, the M5 looks just like an M3 without the bump in fenders... too much G35 platform here.

If you think the M5 looks like the M3, then you for sure have to think the E63 and C63 are twins. I can agree that in some photos, there are some resemblances between the F90 and F80, but the E63 and C63 look just alike in photos and on the road. Mercs are all starting to look exactly alike. And that's my gripe with the E63 and C63, they look very similar to the standard models. And the standard models look soft.

[Vic55]

Originally Posted by Mspired

If you think the M5 looks like the M3, then you for sure have to think the E63 and C63 are twins. I can agree that in some photos, there are some resemblances between the F90 and F80, but the E63 and C63 look just alike in photos and on the road. Mercs are all starting to look exactly alike. And that's my gripe with the E63 and C63, they look very similar to the standard models. And the standard models look soft.

I do. There is clearly a dilution of models across the Benz line. The reason I chose the E63S was the Edition 1 package (I have a thread here) and Night Black Magno Paint coupled with the interior set up. The set up makes the car aggressive and mean but I have not seen that yet in the F90.

Edit: and I already had 2 F10's so I wanted back into Benz sedanwise. There is a method to my madness Now if the F90 was revolutionary change over the F10 I might have waited but it wasnt and combine that with my last Benz sedan being a 2010 E63 AMG- the timing was spot on for me.

I have no doubt Ill be in a M car again as well... right now its AMG purely due to the availabilty of the car. And I enjoy my RS7 from a view perspective so much more because its far more polarizing.

[Vic55]

C&D's latest on the E63S.... waiting on the F90 M5:

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...an-test-review

[IANNUZZI]

Originally Posted by Vic55

C&D's latest on the E63S.... waiting on the F90 M5:

M5 should be slightly better, however look how similar the times of this E63 are to a 991.1 Turbo from 2014:

C/D TEST RESULTS:
Zero to 60 mph: 2.6 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 6.5 sec
Zero to 150 mph: 16.5 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 3.8 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 2.1 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 2.3 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 10.8 sec @ 126 mph
Top speed (drag limited, mfr's est): 198 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 144 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 1.09 g

Incredible these sedans are approaching supercar performance.... by 150mph the E63 has caught the Turbo

[apsuard]

Originally Posted by TrevorM3

i plan to burn v8 fuel as long as i can. fuck tesla.

Likewise!

[Blackraven]

For the M5, you would either have to go with M Performance Exhaust or aftermarket...........because the stock exhaust only sounds barely passing.

Whereas E63 S stock exhaust sounds way better.

[Vic55]

More comparos, these are a dime a dozen and dont show the conditions or when each race took place either but they are very close to each other. Ill still say that the AMG running at over 400 lbs heavier is doing a great job:

And the 100 kmh clip: