MP: Setting up a fly-in flash tuning Group-Buy for NY/NJ customers

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[RaTeD ///M]

Originally Posted by F10M5Manual

Allmotor has flash with Jb i bliv. Surely cant just be jb4.

Who did his flash?

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[MissionPerformance]

Originally Posted by RaTeD ///M

IMO what's better a custom flash or JB4? World record holder uses Jb4 and runs 9s with 139 plus traps. While dyno #s are great its all about MPHs to determine real world results and 60-130 times.

Honestly, I will never run a JB4 on my own car. After you disassemble the factory software and figure out how vital "actual torque" is to the safety functions of the motor, you will never even consider and device that tricks the computer to make more power.

Yes, the world record is a JB4 vehicle but that is a "race car". That is not a vehicle you will daily drive every day and think it will last you 3+ years. Even tho we build re-flashes with reliability and safety as our main concerns, we can build a re-flash for such a vehicle and with our knowledge of these ECUs, we should be really close, if not superior to JB4 on a race car.

Originally Posted by F10M5Manual

Allmotor has flash with Jb i bliv. Surely cant just be jb4.

For sure has to have some type of backend flash.

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[MissionPerformance]

Originally Posted by F10M5Manual

Agree with you, if someone has dyno a jb device you can see throttle closures

Yep, exactly. JB4 was great idea back in the day before flash tuning started happening but now, a proper flash is the only way to to go.

F10M5Manual's 760whp build is more then powerful enough for a daily vehicle with weekend track in mind. Fact that he is running an actual re-flash instead of JB4 means the car will be much more reliable and consistent on daily basis. Anything over 800whp, though still achievable with a reflash, is just not needed, unless all you care about is a 1/4mile runs.

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[FSociety]

Originally Posted by F10M5Manual

Yes. Agree. We can actually achieve more than 800whp possibly close to 900 range if we boost it up all the way to 25-28 pounds w/fuel additive (race gas) but who needs all that power specially for a daily car some of us but drives it every day fortunately with me I only drive it on the weekends and some weekdays I'll drive it 10-15 miles just to have fun with it but that's basically it I wanted a street race car not just a track car so we tuned it mainly for street racing and for every day use and we have a setting

Efficient - xxx whp
Sport- Xxxwhp
Sport+ - xxxx whp


That way the car is more reliable for every day use I can put it on efficient or sport and have less than 660 WHP. And when racing I could just switch the buttons and it gives me more boost to make the power.

After more than a Dyno Queen pulls of 100+ on the car finally found my happy medium, lol. This number are on pump 93. Can easily achieve 800whp with race gas. So we are still in ball park of 800whp+ if we have too.


Me and the guys believe once u cross that 800whp barrier sheeeze starts breaking. Which we dnt want the car to be down for week or months with summer coming.

Very important right there!
Reliable, while not having all the boost "over boosting"

[IANNUZZI]

Is there any way to limit torque in the midrange so the stock dct can handle 23-24psi on 94. Is there any way we can make usable power with the stock turbos between 6-7500rpm? Right now most of tunes limit boost to 22psi due to DcT limitations and power starts to fall off at 6200rpm whereas the stock curve holds power to redline 7200rpm....

[MissionPerformance]

Originally Posted by F10M5Manual

Yes. Agree. We can actually achieve more than 800whp possibly close to 900 range if we boost it up all the way to 25-28 pounds w/fuel additive (race gas) but who needs all that power specially for a daily car some of us but drives it every day fortunately with me I only drive it on the weekends and some weekdays I'll drive it 10-15 miles just to have fun with it but that's basically it I wanted a street race car not just a track car so we tuned it mainly for street racing and for every day use and we have a setting

Efficient - xxx whp
Sport- Xxxwhp
Sport+ - xxxx whp


That way the car is more reliable for every day use I can put it on efficient or sport and have less than 660 WHP. And when racing I could just switch the buttons and it gives me more boost to make the power.

After more than a Dyno Queen pulls of 100+ on the car finally found my happy medium, lol. This number are on pump 93. Can easily achieve 800whp with race gas. So we are still in ball park of 800whp+ if we have too.


Me and the guys believe once u cross that 800whp barrier sheeeze starts breaking. Which we dnt want the car to be down for week or months with summer coming.

That is exactly right. We also have mapped our Sport button to control torque output and this is the only way to do it. Having "On the Fly" switching ability is perfect for a car putting that much power down and something JB4 doesn't seem to be capable of.

Originally Posted by IANNUZZI

Is there any way to limit torque in the midrange so the stock dct can handle 23-24psi on 94. Is there any way we can make usable power with the stock turbos between 6-7500rpm? Right now most of tunes limit boost to 22psi due to DcT limitations and power starts to fall off at 6200rpm whereas the stock curve holds power to redline 7200rpm....

The stock turbos are not capable of sustaining maximum boost all the way to redline. The 22psi limiter is not due to DCT in any way. You get limited by the stock MAP sensors. Once you upgrade your MAP sensors to 3.5bar and perform a proper calibration for that, something we can provide, you can safely pass the 22psi mark as long as you have other supporting hardware to do so.

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[IANNUZZI]

Originally Posted by MissionPerformance

That is exactly right. We also have mapped our Sport button to control torque output and this is the only way to do it. Having "On the Fly" switching ability is perfect for a car putting that much power down and something JB4 doesn't seem to be capable of.



The stock turbos are not capable of sustaining maximum boost all the way to redline. The 22psi limiter is not due to DCT in any way. You get limited by the stock MAP sensors. Once you upgrade your MAP sensors to 3.5bar and perform a proper calibration for that, something we can provide, you can safely pass the 22psi mark as long as you have other supporting hardware to do so.

Great, supporting hardware as in larger turbos, as the current upgrades can not hold boost to redline either as the turbine side is unchanged. Stage 2 turbo upgrades are supposed to be released in May, any chance to hold this power to redline and limit torque in the midrange so clutch packs are not needed?

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Originally Posted by IANNUZZI

Great, supporting hardware as in larger turbos, as the current upgrades can not hold boost to redline either as the turbine side is unchanged. Stage 2 turbo upgrades are supposed to be released in May, any chance to hold this power to redline and limit torque in the midrange so clutch packs are not needed?

As we have full control over the torque output, we can control it at any level you will request. Being able to have maximum boost all the way to redline would depend on ability of the turbos to do so. A build like yours, with stage 2 turbos, would need to be dyno tuned. We can offer two option. Option 1 is for us to fly out to your and get your car dyno tuned or option 2, do it remotely. Our M-Boot bootloader option allows us to remotely reflash your car while you are at the dyno and this would save a lot of time and money.

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[apexlocator]

So what kind of power can be put down at 22psi? or 20psi? on a stock motor? Is that a good level for longevity/ daily driving duties? I'm not sure what the stock psi level is at though....

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[exia_m3]

when will you be on the EAST?

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Originally Posted by apexlocator

So what kind of power can be put down at 22psi? or 20psi? on a stock motor? Is that a good level for longevity/ daily driving duties? I'm not sure what the stock psi level is at though....

On a stock motor with original down pipes, 650-670whp is a safe number. Downpipes would allow much higher gains.

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when will you be on the EAST?

We are planning to make it to NY in the next month or so. We are still waiting for enough members to join the group buy.

[Mr_M5Guy]

Can you guys provide more details on the ability to control hp and torque thru out settings. Your able to do this without jb4? I would love to be able to have two different settings

[MissionPerformance]

That is correct, we can control torque using the sport/sport+/comfort settings. This allows us to limit torque output in comfort mode and release full torque in sport modes.

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[MissionPerformance]

Originally Posted by F10M5Manual

Jb4 cannot do this option
Only full ecu flash
Can change trq/boost/power on settings

Correct. Jb4 doesn't seem to have "on the fly" map changes.