Engine burning oil got you down? Looks like BMW is not the only one.

[RPiM5]

I saw this on the wire today and they made mention of the BMW M engine (S63tu). So I thought I'd share.

BMW says it's normal for their new engines to burn oil. A lot of people say that's wrong, it should not be burning oil. I still believe it's simply oil blowby where the cylinder rings aren't properly sealed during the first 20 miles of the engines life. According to the article, some owners are trying to take class action against Audi. I thought I heard something about a Service Campaign to fix the issue, but I can't remember. My car still burns oil, when using the Castrol or the latest Shell BMW oil. Using Liqui-Moly my engine only burns 1 quart every 6,000 miles compared to every 1-2 thousand using the "other" stuff. I think the quality of the oil does make the difference.

Thoughts?

"The company said some regular BMW motors can consume up to a quart every 750 miles, and M series performance engines can use up to 2.5 quarts per 1,000 miles under certain conditions. The company says it has a service campaign to check and possibly replace some parts in the 4.4 liter V8."

http://www.autoblog.com/2015/07/02/c...usauto00000016

[boots]

Mine burns oil also. But it had like 50 miles on it when I bought it. My 550 never burned oil so I don't like this one doing it. Blow by isn't good for any motor.

[bimmer-boy]

I know the correct "break in" has been discussed repeatedly on here before..

But RPI & Boots I actually value your view points on this matter. I know Boots your car was already at 50 miles.. But still wanted your opinion.

So are you in support of following the BMW break in on the F10 M5 precisely as the manual states..

Or driving it like you stole it for the first 80 miles, with different rpms, and then following the BMW break in thereafter?

[RPiM5]

Originally Posted by bimmer-boy

I know the correct "break in" has been discussed repeatedly on here before..

But RPI & Boots I actually value your view points on this matter. I know Boots your car was already at 50 miles.. But still wanted your opinion.

So are you in support of following the BMW break in on the F10 M5 precisely as the manual states..

Or driving it like you stole it for the first 80 miles, with different rpms, and then following the BMW break in thereafter?

Drive it like you stole it for the first 20 or 30 miles then adhere with break-in until 1,200 miles. I say following BMW's recommended break-in procedure not for the engine but for the other components than need to be eased into operation, like the brakes, transmission, and differential. That's wholly just my opinion though based off of my own experience and research.

[cjrdriven]

Wish I knew how mine was broken in. Picked it up with right at 7k miles, and just about to tick over 10k and haven't had to add oil. On oil level, shows it just dropped a 1/4 from max reading. ��

[Phatcat]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

Drive it like you stole it for the first 20 or 30 miles then adhere with break-in until 1,200 miles. I say following BMW's recommended break-in procedure not for the engine but for the other components than need to be eased into operation, like the brakes, transmission, and differential. That's wholly just my opinion though based off of my own experience and research.

That's what I think too, that the break-in procedure is more for the transmission, differential, brakes, and etc. I am a firm believer in taking the engine to the max for break-in.

Of course, it doesn't mean I red lined it every chance I get during break-in, when I first receive my car, I usually warm up the car for 20 min. or so (under 2500 rpm), and then red line it first and second gear, I then lift off but don't use brakes, instead I let the engine do the braking. I do this a few times, and then go to the dealership to change the oil.

After this I follow the recommended procedure till 1200 miles (I try very hard to avoid freeway and constant rpm for the first 1200 miles, instead I drive mountain roads at every chance I get to vary the rpm and the gears), so far I never had an engine that burns oil.

[bm5bullit]

I got sick of it too and switched to Liqui-Moly but to the 10-40w due to my experience with both foreign and domestic hi-perf vehicles. So far, so good and since it is summer, the thicker viscosity seems to be good fit.

[dhirm5]

Drove mine like I stole it off the lot - took it up to high RPMs repeatedly and let it engine brake down to legal speeds several times. So not really like I stole it. Was a bit more measured than that ..

Haven't added a drop in 12k or so.

[Day Laborer]

Originally Posted by dhirm5

Drove mine like I stole it off the lot - took it up to high RPMs repeatedly and let it engine brake down to legal speeds several times. So not really like I stole it. Was a bit more measured than that ..

Haven't added a drop in 12k or so.

Exactly what I did. Not a drop at 14k

[NlckyBlack]

I've had mine since new, and about 14 months so far. Unlike any other M car i've had in the recent past and there have been many, this M5 i've never had to add any oil. Even my old Hybrid 7 burned oil.

[M6-Coupe]

Have had the same experience with the last 3 cars (2x 650i + M6) following the manual break-in and always add oil every 1000-1500 miles. It's getting better after 10k miles but still adding 1 quart every 4-5k miles. It's not bothering me and I think the engine is running well the way I drive my car and have at least 2-3 launch (hard acceleration) per day S63tu is a fantastic engine period...

[boots]

Originally Posted by bimmer-boy

I know the correct "break in" has been discussed repeatedly on here before..

But RPI & Boots I actually value your view points on this matter. I know Boots your car was already at 50 miles.. But still wanted your opinion.

So are you in support of following the BMW break in on the F10 M5 precisely as the manual states..

Or driving it like you stole it for the first 80 miles, with different rpms, and then following the BMW break in thereafter?

Thank you sir!!!

Yea I wish I got to break it in myself and just don't k ow what they did to fun it in. The pistons need to be seated properly so a good run up/down is good for any motors piston rings to seat. Especially if you own high hp jet skis that go over 80mph like mine. Now since mine had those miles already I drove from Austin to Houston not stating at any speed the whole way ranging from 55/95 mph. As others have stated proper brake run in is just imp as the tranny break in. Just don't start slamming through tbe gears and you'll be ok. After I get home the very next day I went on a short country run through the twisties to test everything. For me that was the beat way I can beat down the car and listen for any problems. I ran pretty fast that day. But as I said before mine burns oil but to me some who run in theirs acc to the manual burn and some don't. Luck of the draw. I'm now almost 64k. As you see in driving this beotch and loving it!

[Wills2]

10k and used one litre/quart of oil which I don't think is bad going.

[bimmer-boy]

Thanks for the replies guys..

Are you also keeping the car in auto while varying the rpm and gears or using the paddles as well, while doing a hard break in for the first 20 miles or so.

[mcvaughan]

Originally Posted by boots

I'm now almost 64k. As you see in driving this beotch and loving it!

[JOHNBMWM5]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

Drive it like you stole it for the first 20 or 30 miles then adhere with break-in until 1,200 miles. I say following BMW's recommended break-in procedure not for the engine but for the other components than need to be eased into operation, like the brakes, transmission, and differential. That's wholly just my opinion though based off of my own experience and research.

SECONDED.
PS) 7500 miles No Oil Used.

[jensputzier]

I drive BMW since 1991 and my BMW have required a liter of oil every 15.000 kms. So basically I never had to refill in between oil changes. The only car that ever required more oil was a 550i touring MT E61 that used a liter every 3.000 km. BMW said everything is OK until the engine needed new cylinder heads at 20k km and a new engine at 44k km ;-)

My M5 F10 has now 9.000 km on the clock and oil is still 3/4 "full" on the scale.

I have to add though that it is my daily driver and I never race it. I do go fast where I can, but I adhere to the traffic laws and don't go on race tracks.

[wrsbmw]

Mine had 2 miles on it since it came from the ship to the dealer lot. It still had the plastic wrapping on it, thus, no hooning from pkilla or the like. I broke it in properly, never over 4500 RPM the first 1200 miles and it never burned oil. Doesn't mean those are the reasons it didn't but those are the facts. Course other stuff went wrong later. The 991tts doesn't burn oil but the CTTS most definitely uses about a quart every 1500 miles or so. Wonder how Ferraris are with 9000 rpm redlines.........

[RPiM5]

Originally Posted by wrsbmw

Mine had 2 miles on it since it came from the ship to the dealer lot. It still had the plastic wrapping on it, thus, no hooning from pkilla or the like. I broke it in properly, never over 4500 RPM the first 1200 miles and it never burned oil. Doesn't mean those are the reasons it didn't but those are the facts. Course other stuff went wrong later. The 991tts doesn't burn oil but the CTTS most definitely uses about a quart every 1500 miles or so. Wonder how Ferraris are with 9000 rpm redlines.........

Pkilla lives!!!

[ChrisNich117]

They definitely made changes for the LCI model because mine doesn't burn anywhere near as much oil as my 13 did.

[Lalit@autocouture]

21k miles and never has my F10 needed oil. HARD break in

[BMWrules7]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

I saw this on the wire today and they made mention of the BMW M engine (S63tu). So I thought I'd share.

BMW says it's normal for their new engines to burn oil. A lot of people say that's wrong, it should not be burning oil. I still believe it's simply oil blowby where the cylinder rings aren't properly sealed during the first 20 miles of the engines life. According to the article, some owners are trying to take class action against Audi. I thought I heard something about a Service Campaign to fix the issue, but I can't remember. My car still burns oil, when using the Castrol or the latest Shell BMW oil. Using Liqui-Moly my engine only burns 1 quart every 6,000 miles compared to every 1-2 thousand using the "other" stuff. I think the quality of the oil does make the difference.

Thoughts?

"The company said some regular BMW motors can consume up to a quart every 750 miles, and M series performance engines can use up to 2.5 quarts per 1,000 miles under certain conditions. The company says it has a service campaign to check and possibly replace some parts in the 4.4 liter V8."

http://www.autoblog.com/2015/07/02/c...usauto00000016

I used to follow BMW's break in guidelines for at least 4 7 series.

ALL were oil burners.

I wised up after reading here.

My latest 7: 8,000 miles and the oil is still full.