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View Poll Results: North American Members: What M5 Transmission Do You Plan to Order?
6 Speed Manual Transmission 82 39.61%
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      04-24-2012, 03:47 PM   #45
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one wrong shift and the tranny is done.

So I'd consider to reconsider.
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Our new M5 and M6 have so much power that a mismatched shift can easily destroy the transmission. It’s not easy. Therefore, for the first time, we have advanced our software to cut spikes and protect the transmission electronically.
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      04-24-2012, 03:53 PM   #46
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I have talked to the M engineers about this to the point I have no idea why they still even bother to offer it and neither do they.... the NA market still sells them but they can't sell manuals in regular models (it is hysterical) even though the take rate is still sub 15% for it in the M5.
They offer it because there is demand for it, simple as that. It's not exactly fair to compare the take rate of manuals to the regular series cars either. There is a much higher percentage of regular series cars sold vs. M cars, plus M buyers tend to be enthusiasts. Speaking of take rate, look at it this way: The take rate for the E39 M5 in manual was 100% because it was only offered that way. When the E60 M5 debuted, the take rate was initially 100% for the SMG because that was the only offering. This obviously upset customers and eventually the 6MT was offered. There are apparently still enough of us who want a choice and don't feel the DCT should be forced upon us as the only option.

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It seems America has a complex associated with knowing how to drive a manual. I'll even go further and say its a manhood complex. Its really not that difficult!
Maybe it's a complex for some drivers, but for the rest of us, it is the overall driving experience and involvement with a manual that a DCT just can't compete.
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      04-24-2012, 03:54 PM   #47
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DCT 4 me! Only way to go on the f10 m5
Agreed! Much better at resale time too!!
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      04-24-2012, 03:56 PM   #48
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Obviously the E60 MT sold in good enough numbers to justify making this an option from day 1 - this is a business and BMW knows this more then anyone. Porsche is not importing the MT Panamera so a good WIN for BMW in the sedan department!
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      04-24-2012, 03:56 PM   #49
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      04-24-2012, 04:04 PM   #50
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Going along with what the poster above me said:

It seems America has a complex associated with knowing how to drive a manual. I'll even go further and say its a manhood complex. Its really not that difficult!
To funny.

Once again I agree.
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      04-24-2012, 04:12 PM   #51
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Swore I'd never go anything but MT, however after 2 years now in the Z4 35is with DCT, I won't go back! On the track it is a no brainer, but even around town I love the quick shifts and rev matching. If I go with the next M3 I will go DCT as well. Oh, point of the thread, I would go DCT in the M5
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      04-24-2012, 04:28 PM   #52
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I can't wait for the initial reviews on the MT. With so much power now available in these cars, it's going to be interesting how well/bad the MT works with the car. If I had the opportunity for such a car, I'd probably lean towards the DCT. But something like a M3, probably stay MT.
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      04-24-2012, 04:37 PM   #53
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This is actually incorrect, the E60 M5 was designed around the SMG and the 6 speed was an after thought, as it did come later in the production year.

Unlike the E60 M5, the F10 M5 has torque. So having an extra gear to utilize that high peak power/torque isn't (on the E60 and E92) isn't as effective on a car that has power and torque everywhere. In other words having much tighter gearing won't benefit the F10 as much as it did the E60 and E92.

Also, before disregarding the latter as "trash" MotorTrends fastest 1/4 mile test was achieved with the 6 speed E60 M5 (12.5@115) and the current world record for the E92 M3 in the 1/4 mile is held by a 6 speed car (12.3@114.9) despite them having an clear advantage from a rolling start
Are you trying to say that the F10 M5 was initially designed around both gearboxes? I ask b/c my primary point was that it was designed around the DCT, with 6MT as as obvious after thought.

Not trying to start anything, just clarifying.
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I'm all 6mt over anything else, but I think I'd go for DCT if I were to get an M5. That would most certainly be my daily, and I'd keep my manual M3 as a track/weekend car.
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I wonder how many in this thread who say 6MT or nothing! have any intention of actually buying the car at all...

For me, reading that there will be electronic nannies overseeing the shifting in the MT is scary.
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Maybe it's a complex for some drivers, but for the rest of us, it is the overall driving experience and involvement with a manual that a DCT just can't compete.
Of course I don't speak for everyone but a lot of times when debates like this come up, we tend to see people suggest "Real Men row their own gears" or "any dummy can drive a car with two pedals". It's almost as if some drivers are compensating for something instead of seeking a real driving experience. Nobody can deny that suggestive comments like these always come up.

When Dr. Nitschke says "Our European customers have understood that" it seems like he's saying European customers have moved past the "Real Men drive MT" image/complex and thus, have been more receptive to the new technology. Americans can be silly sometimes!

Once again i hope nobody that truly likes the feel of driving MT doesn't get offended by my post. Once again, even those people cant deny that some people have a complex associated with being able to drive MT, which isn't even hard in the first place. I learned in 1 hour!

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      04-24-2012, 04:52 PM   #57
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i stick with 6MT for my 3 series and M3 but if i was to get an M5 i would want the full pontetial of the car and go with the DCT.
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Therefore, for the first time, we have advanced our software to cut spikes and protect the transmission electronically.
I would love to get more information about this. Assuming he's not talking about a full money shift (which would obviously ruin a transmission at a near-redline shift) but rather a true mismatched shift where there's simply a large impending RPM discrepancy, how exactly would electronics protect the transmission in that situation? Others have mentioned CDV which I guess would make sense, but that's not electronics. Maybe limiting max revs while the clutch is in to minimize the impact of a clutch dump?

Anyway, as much as I've seen the light and come to love 6MT over the past year that I've had my M3 (first MT car! ), I have to say that if I were buying an M5 I would probably go with DCT. MT just seems out of place on a car that size that also has such a substantial luxury cruiser element to its personality. But BMW, pay no attention to my feedback, as the M5 and M6 are both far larger cars than I need or want at the moment.
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..for the record if I bought this car id get a DCT.... only DCT I have speant significant time in is an 2008 R32 DCT... that car changed my opinion on the joy of DCT... LOVE it

I love 6MT in my 335i E92, but i'm not dealing with this 9M5's) cars weight and torque ... I just enjoy a 6MT, I feel more connected to the car.

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BMW acts like M5 owners are actually going to track their car so much the small lap time difference matters. It's about the feel and control.

If I was baller enough to order one, I'd get 6MT
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Of course I don't speak for everyone but a lot of times when debates like this come up, we tend to see people suggest "Real Men row their own gears" or "any dummy can drive a car with two pedals". It's almost as if some drivers are compensating for something instead of seeking a real driving experience. Nobody can deny that suggestive comments like these always come up.

When Dr. Nitschke says "Our European customers have understood that" it seems like he's saying European customers have moved past the "Real Men drive MT" image/complex and thus, have been more receptive to the new technology. Americans can be silly sometimes!

Once again i hope nobody that truly likes the feel of driving MT doesn't get offended by my post. Once again, even those people cant deny that some people have a complex associated with being able to drive MT, which isn't even hard in the first place. I learned in 1 hour!

Absolutely agree on that.
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I had a GTR and it was crazy fast but I eventually got bored of clicking through the gears and sold it for a GT3RS which although much slower, I'm still head over heels for. As for the M5, just thinking about all that torque under my left foot is enough to get me back in a 6MT M car. My concern is BMW's lack of enthusiasm for the 6 MT on the M5. If they're going begrudgingly retrofit a 6MT, how good can it be? If their engineers had the same feeling about the joy of driving they had when developing the 1M then fine. Now I'm not too sure.
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Not necessary to have a manual in a big boat like this car. This car is now about comfort at high speeds. M3, yes manual all the way.
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Of course I don't speak for everyone but a lot of times when debates like this come up, we tend to see people suggest "Real Men row their own gears" or "any dummy can drive a car with two pedals". It's almost as if some drivers are compensating for something instead of seeking a real driving experience. Nobody can deny that suggestive comments like these always come up.

When Dr. Nitschke says "Our European customers have understood that" it seems like he's saying European customers have moved past the "Real Men drive MT" image/complex and thus, have been more receptive to the new technology. Americans can be silly sometimes!

Once again i hope nobody that truly likes the feel of driving MT doesn't get offended by my post. Once again, even those people cant deny that some people have a complex associated with being able to drive MT, which isn't even hard in the first place. I learned in 1 hour!
I think it has more to do with enthusiasts. Not really US vs World. I watch all the shows/reviews from UK and Europe, the reviewers always say they would prefer a manual gearbox over the flappy paddles. Certain car enthusiasts enjoy being fully involved in the car.
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If you guys remember, when BMW released a 6speed MT e60 M5 they also did not allow you to fully disengage DSC/DCT. Which frankly is asinine when you're getting a manual transmission.

I hope they don't make the same mistake with the F10. Personally though, I think the DCT is an overall better match for the F10 M5.
I would rather have a 6MT on a smaller and lighter car.
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time to move on

for the life of me i don't understand why people don't use the technology that are given to them. f1 cars have been using similar transmission for ages now. the m5 is a four door luxury sedan. putting a stick in it, looks weird and stupid. if you insist on driving a slower version of this m5 (manual trans) go ahead. i have just one advise to you, just save your money and go buy a 550 instead since it's slower than an m5.
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