M5 Came with Pirelli PZero's

[HappyMan]

Originally Posted by DingolfingLove

I have done approx 3,000 miles with PO's and have read reports about loss of traction & wondered how heavy footed others must be. The PO's don't suffer from loss of traction that easily, with the caveat that as expected they will spin up easily in the wet, but they provide a good ride on UK roads.

Anyone who had both tires on their M5 say which tire gives you a more smooth and comfortable ride?

[Scott@Radar-Mirror.com]

I've been holding out for the PSS's, which came on my 15 CP. I'm going to have to give up and get the P0's - my fronts are toast and the PSS's are on endless backorder.

[HappyMan]

Originally Posted by HappyMan

Anyone who had both tires on their M5 say which tire gives you a more smooth and comfortable ride?

Anyone?

[stealth.pilot]

Originally Posted by Schnell_1

However, I just swapped My PSS for P0 (295 rear), and I am in love with the new setup. The P0 have amazing traction - I can now finally launch hard and mash the throttle (under 60 mph) without fear of going sideways. To each their own, but IMO owners should not feel disappointed with the Pirelli's...

New tires always have better grip than old ones. You can't say you prefer the Pirelli's until you have driven both in new condition within a short timeframe.

I have such a comparison. My Jaguar F-Type R Coupe came with p Zeros from the factory. I used them for a month. Didn't like them. Switched to PSS after the first month on the P0. The PSS had much better traction and less wheelspin on launch, and less slip when exiting corners.

[stealth.pilot]

Originally Posted by HappyMan

Anyone?

Not much of a difference, but the PSS are quieter.

[SFT33]

If I had my druthers I'd always pick Michelin over any other tire. I had PZeros from the factory on our E63s - decent ride but didn't last long. I hope the Michelins come on my ordered 16 CP. Luck of the draw.

[scott135i]

they're on backorder for tirerack and others, but what about BMW dealers. Surely some could have them in stock??

[JeffDD2]

17,100 miles on P-Zeros. 2014 CP. Rears are gone, fronts have 4/32 to 5/32 remaining. One track day. Getting new set of MPSS tomorrow at BMW dealer. Interested to put some miles on the MPSS and understand how they differ from the P-Zeros.

[13M5F10]

Originally Posted by JeffDD2

17,100 miles on P-Zeros. 2014 CP. Rears are gone, fronts have 4/32 to 5/32 remaining. One track day. Getting new set of MPSS tomorrow at BMW dealer. Interested to put some miles on the MPSS and understand how they differ from the P-Zeros.

I've had both tires and has MCarsFan. We both upgraded to 305 P0 rears. I do think traction has improved however my rears do not last at all. I'd say I've put 5k miles on it on the rears. Fronts still look new.

I do have a very heavy foot with 800HP.

I think now with the revised MPSS that they are now 300 thread vs P0 200

[HappyMan]

Originally Posted by 13M5F10

I've had both tires and has MCarsFan. We both upgraded to 305 P0 rears. I do think traction has improved however my rears do not last at all. I'd say I've put 5k miles on it on the rears. Fronts still look new.

I do have a very heavy foot with 800HP.

I think now with the revised MPSS that they are now 300 thread vs P0 200

You think now what with the revised thread?

[shellbmb]

I'm looking at this from a slightly different point of view. I have 19k miles on my 2014 CP M5 and the MPSS that came on the car are just about shot. The car is a lease and I will turn it back in at the end of this year. So I just want tires on the car that will still be in good shape come time to turn the lease in. I don't want to have to buy another set just prior to lease turn in. There won't be any track days and I'm pretty easy on the car.

MPSS can only be found through my dealer and they are significantly more expensive than P Zeros at a local shop. If I went with Pzeros, any comment on whether they can last roughly 10 months and 9k miles and still have enough tread left to pass a lease turn in inspection which is usually at least 4/32" of tread left?

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by shellbmb

I'm looking at this from a slightly different point of view. I have 19k miles on my 2014 CP M5 and the MPSS that came on the car are just about shot. The car is a lease and I will turn it back in at the end of this year. So I just want tires on the car that will still be in good shape come time to turn the lease in. I don't want to have to buy another set just prior to lease turn in. There won't be any track days and I'm pretty easy on the car.

MPSS can only be found through my dealer and they are significantly more expensive than P Zeros at a local shop. If I went with Pzeros, any comment on whether they can last roughly 10 months and 9k miles and still have enough tread left to pass a lease turn in inspection which is usually at least 4/32" of tread left?

Depends on how you drive. I got Nitto (200 UTQG compare to 220 for P Zero) and they last just 3 months but my MPSS last about 9 months. If your MPSS last 19k then P Zero can last over 12-13k if you drive the same way you did so far. Anyways right now the only available tire is P Zero. MPSS is in back order (national wide)

[Mark6147]

I heard the Super Sports are discontinued and being replaced by Pilot Sport 4?

[remmib]

Originally Posted by Mark6147

I heard the Super Sports are discontinued and being replaced by Pilot Sport 4?

I assume the new pilot sport 4 replaces the pilot sport 3, not the PSS.

[shellbmb]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

Depends on how you drive. I got Nitto (200 UTQG compare to 220 for P Zero) and they last just 3 months but my MPSS last about 9 months. If your MPSS last 19k then P Zero can last over 12-13k if you drive the same way you did so far. Anyways right now the only available tire is P Zero. MPSS is in back order (national wide)

The dealer ended up having a set of MPSS in stock so I ended up just paying a little more at the dealer since they had them. Discount tire had a set of pzeros for cheaper, but I figured I'd stick with MPSS.

[E90076]

Just bought a 2016 M5...came with P Zeros. I asked Discount Tire about a set of PSS's and they didn't have any in stock and claimed Michelin had no future manufacturing runs planned.

[Phatcat]

My 2016 M5 CP also came with P0s.

[Sal@AUTOcouture]

Have the P0's on my car. Not a fan at all. These have barely enough traction for a stock car let alone one with any additional power.

[M5Beast_NYC]

Just picked up my CPO 2015 M5 over the weekend and it came with PZero. I dont have anything to compare but it seems the PZero is a good balance for DD. Drove the car 1000 miles home and it was pretty comfortable and confident. Last two hour of my drive was in pouring rain with some puddling on the highway. didnt feel like i lost traction or felt loose. only complaint i have is that its a bit loud from the road noise. Again, I dont know if Michelin's can do better on the noise department.

[lemetier]

Originally Posted by Mark6147

I heard the Super Sports are discontinued and being replaced by Pilot Sport 4?

That is correct. In the US, they're only marketed and labeled Pilot Super Sport. RoW have and continue to receive a 2/3/4 designation. Continental had a big snafu late last year with a large number of tires, so the Michelin stock to hold over during the switch was snatched up rather quickly. Pirelli doesn't keep as much on hand stock except for Ferrari and production couldn't keep up either. Both were a challenge to source for the past few months in the US since we have different regulations and unique tires.

Originally Posted by M5Beast_NYC

Just picked up my CPO 2015 M5 over the weekend and it came with PZero. I dont have anything to compare but it seems the PZero is a good balance for DD. Drove the car 1000 miles home and it was pretty comfortable and confident. Last two hour of my drive was in pouring rain with some puddling on the highway. didnt feel like i lost traction or felt loose. only complaint i have is that its a bit loud from the road noise. Again, I dont know if Michelin's can do better on the noise department.

I've had PZeros, PSS3, PSC2's, and a few other tires on my F10 M5. I also just finished breaking in a set of the new PSS(4) rears last night (RoW spec...more on that below). My F10 is a bit heavier than most, I don't baby it, and have a few wheel businesses...I go through a lot of tires.

The PZeros aren't horrible, but I won't use them again unless they're on a set I have in the warehouse. I've gone through 3 sets of them in 18k miles/30k km. Add to that a set of PSS3 (on since 10k miles) and approx 7500km on 2 other different types.

The PZeros are a much softer compound compared to the PSS3, but softer doesn't mean more traction. They're very temperature sensitive when it comes to friction levels. Between 150f and 165f, they're slightly better than the PSS3. Above and below that they're just wasting rubber, especially on the rear. They suffer from the usual Pirelli howl after the first 2-3k miles and seem to be extremely fragile. Of the 3 sets, only one lasted more than 1000 miles. The other two bubbled on the way to and while in D.C. for two days (the second set seemed to be attributed to installation error by someone I didn't know, the third was from minor pot hole/frost heave impact on the pass side, the drivers side seemed to just want to mimic the others...go figure). They'll become hockey pucks at a slightly warmer temp, and in the rain, don't feel as confident inspiring though the telemetry data shows they have a bit more lateral grip in the wet. Straight line they are poorer than the PSS3.

The PSS3 is quieter (but not silent for daily driving at highway speed), has a slightly firmer ride, much better traction over a wider range, and vastly less tread wear. There is a slight decrease in initial bite from the fronts on turn in, but it's not something most will notice. In spirited driving they are, again, quieter, but not in a good way. They don't give much aural feedback like the Pirelli's and one really needs to crack the window to listen to what they're saying. The fronts can get fairly hot and begin to marble on the outer 1/4. Same problem with the PSC2 (only they're dead quiet to the end). The PSS3 even saved my ass when caught in a significant unforecasted freezing rain/sleet event, and got me to safety without scaring the crap out of me with over an inch of rough ice underneath and some not insignificant vertical geography. (No do not try and use them in the winter...unless you want to become very intimate with your insurance carrier).

So back to the PSS4 I mentioned earlier. I've had engineers at one of our wheel foundries working on some BMW fitments for M2/3/4/5/6 that will be available later this year through a few vendors on this site. While the prototypes are being finished, I had the alignment tweaked slightly and managed to get a pair of PSS4 rears and threw them on an extra set of 601's I had lying around (PZeros on the front). Finished breaking them in and decided to do a little preliminary evaluation last night. I have access to a private airstrip with a 7500' runway that's fairly flat (.04% slope) and enough clear ramp space to have a short but varied auto-x course.

Handling wise, they're engineered to be a bit louder when pushed. Perfect attribute to start with. There's a noticeable increase in lateral grip and the transitions from adhesion to slip is very smooth, predictable, and less snappy on recovery. I don't do much straight line timing, but figured what the hell. Armed with only the M Laptimer, I gave it a go. Facing the incline, the time and velocity numbers that came back on the first run weren't that great overall. I didn't use launch control and the car rolled back slightly before moving in the right direction which seemed to confuse the car a bit. Data was flat lined until 57.4km/h.

But...there were two numbers that did get my attention...>1.5G acceleration and 293.7km/h v/max.

Second Attempt, Launch Control. Again over 1.5G but almost immediately out of the hole and stayed above .98 the entire duration, sub 4 sec 0-100km/h (I have that weight penalty so that's quite surprising), some time/distance velocities that seem too good to be true from a street tire, and vmax of 307km/h (with stopping room left to spare...but not much).

Time to dig out the vbox and go back with the gopro's mounted and see how off that app is.


Good news for everyone too. This may be the tire most have been craving and the first batches of DOT Spec PSS4 will be on their way very soon

[M5Beast_NYC]

Good News on the PSS4. Any experience on the wet with the PSS4?

Originally Posted by miamiten

That is correct. In the US, they're only marketed and labeled Pilot Super Sport. RoW have and continue to receive a 2/3/4 designation. Continental had a big snafu late last year with a large number of tires, so the Michelin stock to hold over during the switch was snatched up rather quickly. Pirelli doesn't keep as much on hand stock except for Ferrari and production couldn't keep up either. Both were a challenge to source for the past few months in the US since we have different regulations and unique tires.



I've had PZeros, PSS3, PSC2's, and a few other tires on my F10 M5. I also just finished breaking in a set of the new PSS(4) rears last night (RoW spec...more on that below). My F10 is a bit heavier than most, I don't baby it, and have a few wheel businesses...I go through a lot of tires.

The PZeros aren't horrible, but I won't use them again unless they're on a set I have in the warehouse. I've gone through 3 sets of them in 18k miles/30k km. Add to that a set of PSS3 (on since 10k miles) and approx 7500km on 2 other different types.

The PZeros are a much softer compound compared to the PSS3, but softer doesn't mean more traction. They're very temperature sensitive when it comes to friction levels. Between 150f and 165f, they're slightly better than the PSS3. Above and below that they're just wasting rubber, especially on the rear. They suffer from the usual Pirelli howl after the first 2-3k miles and seem to be extremely fragile. Of the 3 sets, only one lasted more than 1000 miles. The other two bubbled on the way to and while in D.C. for two days (the second set seemed to be attributed to installation error by someone I didn't know, the third was from minor pot hole/frost heave impact on the pass side, the drivers side seemed to just want to mimic the others...go figure). They'll become hockey pucks at a slightly warmer temp, and in the rain, don't feel as confident inspiring though the telemetry data shows they have a bit more lateral grip in the wet. Straight line they are poorer than the PSS3.

The PSS3 is quieter (but not silent for daily driving at highway speed), has a slightly firmer ride, much better traction over a wider range, and vastly less tread wear. There is a slight decrease in initial bite from the fronts on turn in, but it's not something most will notice. In spirited driving they are, again, quieter, but not in a good way. They don't give much aural feedback like the Pirelli's and one really needs to crack the window to listen to what they're saying. The fronts can get fairly hot and begin to marble on the outer 1/4. Same problem with the PSC2 (only they're dead quiet to the end). The PSS3 even saved my ass when caught in a significant unforecasted freezing rain/sleet event, and got me to safety without scaring the crap out of me with over an inch of rough ice underneath and some not insignificant vertical geography. (No do not try and use them in the winter...unless you want to become very intimate with your insurance carrier).

So back to the PSS4 I mentioned earlier. I've had engineers at one of our wheel foundries working on some BMW fitments for M2/3/4/5/6 that will be available later this year through a few vendors on this site. While the prototypes are being finished, I had the alignment tweaked slightly and managed to get a pair of PSS4 rears and threw them on an extra set of 601's I had lying around (PZeros on the front). Finished breaking them in and decided to do a little preliminary evaluation last night. I have access to a private airstrip with a 7500' runway that's fairly flat (.04% slope) and enough clear ramp space to have a short but varied auto-x course.

Handling wise, they're engineered to be a bit louder when pushed. Perfect attribute to start with. There's a noticeable increase in lateral grip and the transitions from adhesion to slip is very smooth, predictable, and less snappy on recovery. I don't do much straight line timing, but figured what the hell. Armed with only the M Laptimer, I gave it a go. Facing the incline, the time and velocity numbers that came back on the first run weren't that great overall. I didn't use launch control and the car rolled back slightly before moving in the right direction which seemed to confuse the car a bit. Data was flat lined until 57.4km/h.

But...there were two numbers that did get my attention...>1.5G acceleration and 293.7km/h v/max.

Second Attempt, Launch Control. Again over 1.5G but almost immediately out of the hole and stayed above .98 the entire duration, sub 4 sec 0-100km/h (I have that weight penalty so that's quite surprising), some time/distance velocities that seem too good to be true from a street tire, and vmax of 307km/h (with stopping room left to spare...but not much).

Time to dig out the vbox and go back with the gopro's mounted and see how off that app is.


Good news for everyone too. This may be the tire most have been craving and the first batches of DOT Spec PSS4 will be on their way very soon

[lemetier]

Originally Posted by M5Beast_NYC

Good News on the PSS4. Any experience on the wet with the PSS4?

Very briefly and probably not completely free of mould release. There was wheelspin as expected, but there was still a decent amount of grip. It occurred at this intersection where I make a right turn. The approach is steeply uphill and the adjoining road is off camber in the opposite direction (downward from the approach and to the left parallel). It didn't step out as usual, but I want to make sure that wasn't more to do with the alignment tweak I dialed in instead of the tires' lateral torquing resistance. I'll try it in the opposite direction when it's wet again and will know immediately what the contributing factors are.