Next-generation BMW M5 to get all-wheel drive

[RPiM5]

Originally Posted by MSportDC

Why Lambo? How about P-car.

P-Car is an exciting choice too. As much as I drool over the 991 GT3, my main problem with it, is that it still looks like every other 911 on the road. Where as a Lambo Huracan looks like a Lamborghini.

[RPiM5]

Originally Posted by greentrbo95gst

Did you guys hear that BMW is supposed to seize combustion engines within the next 10 years?

Exactly. Every regular BMW model, 10 years from now, from the 1-Series to the 9-Series will pretty much be either a hybrid or a full electric vehicle if that speculation comes to fruition that BMW will fully phase out all internal combustion engines by the year 2025. Where will this leave ///M 10 years from now? Who knows, but I just can't see myself buying a 650hp hybrid assist 6cyl Twin Turbo M5, or a hybrid assist 4cyl Twin Turbo M3/M4. BMW isn't going in the direction of hybrid assist technology like the LaFerrari and McLaren P1 where they still have amazing sounding combustion engines. Instead I fear that the future of ///M cars will be leaning more towards the BMW i8 and upcoming i9. I don't want the emotion of my future performance car coming just from blistering 0-60 times or high lateral g performance, but also the natural sound of real engine, not 100% artificial sound.

[RPiM5]

Originally Posted by greentrbo95gst

High revving 3.8l tt v8

My desire is a small discplacement Twin or Tri Turbo V-10 engine in the next M5 or M6. Say a 4.0L Twin Turbo V10 making 550hp with another 70hp made by 2 electric motors powering the front wheels. Unfortunately V-10's make a lot of CO2 even if you downsize them, which is the reason for all this hybrid and electric technology in the first place, to reduce CO2 emissions by 2020-2025 mandates. Sigh.

[Loft23]

I'm all for AWD. It gives me more confidence as a road car, after all M5's aren't exactly track cars. I would get an M2 or something lighter for that. With all that torque, you don't want to be on the front page of jalopnik jumping over a median. Look at the Porsche Turbo, R8, and Lambo's - AWD isn't that bad. If you add the 4 wheel steering, much like the GT3 and Turbo, man it will make this car drive smaller in size.

[RPiM5]

Originally Posted by Loft23

I'm all for AWD. It gives me more confidence as a road car, after all M5's aren't exactly track cars. I would get an M2 or something lighter for that. With all that torque, you don't want to be on the front page of jalopnik jumping over a median. Look at the Porsche Turbo, R8, and Lambo's - AWD isn't that bad. If you add the 4 wheel steering, much like the GT3 and Turbo, man it will make this car drive smaller in size.

Why, whatever do you mean?

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

The next M5 will may be a revolution in Sports Sedans given the technology that might exist 5 years from now. So I can imagine a 4 door sedan weighing ~3,900lbs, 600hp, and AWD, utilizing an Tri-Electric Turbo V8 engine with hybrid electric motor assist for the two front wheels and a small battery pack, it will be one fast sedan.

Your setup is not possible!
The current M5 weigh about 4400 lb. Adding two electric motors for front wheels and battery already increases the weight couple hundreds pounds and you are at 4600-4700 lb...then something about 700-800 reducing the weight to achieve 3900 lb? ... The current Tesla P85D weigh about 4900 lb...

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

Your setup is not possible!
The current M5 weigh about 4400 lb. Adding two electric motors for front wheels and battery already increases the weight couple hundreds pounds and you are at 4600-4700 lb...then something about 700-800 reducing the weight to achieve 3900 lb? ... The current Tesla P85D weigh about 4900 lb...

I was thinking they could go the route of the i8 but you make good points about weight and electric motors and the i8 is a rear/mid engine design. That engine placement can't happen with the next M5.

[RPiM5]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

Your setup is not possible!
The current M5 weigh about 4400 lb. Adding two electric motors for front wheels and battery already increases the weight couple hundreds pounds and you are at 4600-4700 lb...then something about 700-800 reducing the weight to achieve 3900 lb? ... The current Tesla P85D weigh about 4900 lb...

There is truth to what you are saying but who knows what kind of battery technology will exist 5 years from now. We could have much lighter batteries with double the charge capacity by then. In some cases the market drives technology and innovation.

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by gblansten

I was thinking they could go the route of the i8 but you make good points about weight and electric motors and the i8 is a rear/mid engine design. That engine placement can't happen with the next M5.

And even if they go that route of i8 with the next M5 with lots of CF, bigger engine, bigger size, more seat and doors , etc... the price will be in 150-200k range!!! Who's gonna pay 150k+ for M5?

[RPiM5]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

And even if they go that route of i8 with the next M5 with lots of CF, bigger engine, bigger size, more seat and doors , etc... the price will be in 150-200k range!!! Who's gonna pay 150k+ for M5?

Ha! Ain't that the truth! I'm predicting base price of the next M5 north of $97k!

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

Ha! Ain't that the truth! I'm predicting base price of the next M5 north of $97k!

That's exactly my point! The way i8 is built (CF, DC motors , etc) for 135k, pushes the price of M5 to 150k+ if M5 is supposed to be build based on that route... the next M5 even with no major change is already at 100k range...look at the current X5/X6M... they are not a lot lighter compare to previous generation... almost the same engine (15 more power, 50 more torque, but the same 4.4 TT V8 platform) and no electric motors or something but ~$10K more expensive than previous generation...

[gmfive]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

That's exactly my point! The way i8 is built (CF, DC motors , etc) for 135k, pushes the price of M5 to 150k+ if M5 is supposed to be build based on that route... the next M5 even with no major change is already at 100k range...look at the current X5/X6M... they are not a lot lighter compare to previous generation... almost the same engine (15 more power, 50 more torque, but the same 4.4 TT V8 platform) and no electric motors or something but ~$10K more expensive than previous generation...

Thought BMW were planning to be the largest CFRP producer on the planet. That should help drive economies of scale and keep costs in check. I doubt the next M5/6 will weigh >4K pounds. I just want them to look and sound mean and violent like real //M cars. Hood has got to be smaller than the current gen, lighter/thinner seats too. Real steering feel. And optional AWD.

[Rohardi]

I am very happy about the AWD option. I understand why some may not be thrilled about AWD. For them I'm hoping AWD is an option and not mandatory.

[Loft23]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

Why, whatever do you mean?

In case you missed the viral video. With AWD, stupid is less likely to happen.

[MSportDC]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

Your setup is not possible!
The current M5 weigh about 4400 lb. Adding two electric motors for front wheels and battery already increases the weight couple hundreds pounds and you are at 4600-4700 lb...then something about 700-800 reducing the weight to achieve 3900 lb? ... The current Tesla P85D weigh about 4900 lb...

Your point is valid with the current state of lithium-ion battery technology. In several years, batteries that are over several orders of magnitude in efficiency will be available on the market, thusly reducing weight significantly

[greentrbo95gst]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

My desire is a small discplacement Twin or Tri Turbo V-10 engine in the next M5 or M6. Say a 4.0L Twin Turbo V10 making 550hp with another 70hp made by 2 electric motors powering the front wheels. Unfortunately V-10's make a lot of CO2 even if you downsize them, which is the reason for all this hybrid and electric technology in the first place, to reduce CO2 emissions by 2020-2025 mandates. Sigh.

Lol, never gonna happen. I think there is definitely a hybrid option for the G chassis. The easiest way to find out would be taking out one of their engineers out for happy hour and getting him hammered to the point where he starts talking.

[RPiM5]

Originally Posted by greentrbo95gst

Lol, never gonna happen. I think there is definitely a hybrid option for the G chassis. The easiest way to find out would be taking out one of their engineers out for happy hour and getting him hammered to the point where he starts talking.

Lol! Challenge Accepted!

[greentrbo95gst]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

Lol! Challenge Accepted!

Should I start searching for them on linked in?

[bronch]

Originally Posted by Loft23

In case you missed the viral video. With AWD, stupid is less likely to happen...

Hmm, I'm not sure that AWD, DSC, drivers assist, parking assist, LED headlights, moonroof, hybrid motors or CF chassis and drivetrain is going to help that chap. Maybe a Smartcar with 30 mph speed limiter will.

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by Loft23

In case you missed the viral video. With AWD, stupid is less likely to happen.

Having AWD doesn't mean there is no chance to crash or to lose control! There are tons of Audi R8 crash video in youtube while it has Quattro! This is one of them:

[Stash21]

Technology can't cure stupidity

[E90potentialbuyer]

Damn this just may have just settled the lease vs buy question for me. I would like to see AWD in the M5 with a heavy rear bias. And with the weight savings it looks even more appealing.