Dinan Stage 1 vs BMS Vbox comparison 1/4 mile /60-130

[Tom C]

Originally Posted by gmd2003

I'll retest the Dinan when I get the stage 2 software as well ( should be in the next couple of weeks ) as even small bumps in power have big effects on 60-130. Bottom line is the increased cost is well worth it for me as the drive ability and DCT function as well as safety is 10-1 in favor of Dinan vs the BMS at higher settings ( 3.5 in my case on pump gas) . Obviously running race gas and or meth covers up the BMS's limitations so in the end it's what you want individually . The Dinan stage 1 though is hands down faster than the BMS set to 3 however while maintaining completely stock driveability so well done Dinan . ( my fastest trap was 127 , and 60-130 was 7.8 with the BMS set to 3.0) . If you want the maximum
Performance out of the TU on pump gas without meth or race gas then Dinan is the best option , with the added benefit of stock driveabilty and DCT function . If your looking for max numbers like you then the BMS with meth is the way to go .

As usual, you are fountain of good information and scientific testing!

So are you keeping your other mods (intake/exhaust) with the stage 2 tune? They aren't making you conform to their other products, right?

[gmd2003]

Originally Posted by Tom C

As usual, you are fountain of good information and scientific testing!

So are you keeping your other mods (intake/exhaust) with the stage 2 tune? They aren't making you conform to their other products, right?

Absolutely keeping my mods , they fully acknowledge any intake that is OEM MAF compatible ( no turbulent flow , is fine ) and that my DP's will get me significantly more power especially in the midrange . I would already have the stage 2 software if they had not changed the delivery system to a VIN based system on the day of installation . Currently no official M6 stage 2 , only M5 .

[padrino]

I keep reading comments in this thread on Dinan doing something with the DCT including comments about "instant shifts", from what I can tell it's complete crap since I can't see how the tune touches the DCT in anyway to change how it shifts..

[gmd2003]

Originally Posted by padrino

I keep reading comments in this thread on Dinan doing something with the DCT including comments about "instant shifts", from what I can tell it's complete crap since I can't see how the tune touches the DCT in anyway to change how it shifts..

Perhaps you should re-read the thread, and work on not being a dick lol . The Dinan does not cause a delay in The DCT shift and engine power delivery especially in the lower gears that was present with the BMS tune . You can see visual proof of the delay in the BMS acc graphs I provided .

[M5Rlz]

Originally Posted by gmd2003

Perhaps you should re-read the thread, and work on not being a dick lol . The Dinan does not cause a delay in The DCT shift and engine power delivery especially in the lower gears that was present with the BMS tune . You can see visual proof of the delay in the BMS acc graphs I provided .

Not that this is an m4 thread, but I notice this is even more prevalent with the m4, the delay is quite large.

[padrino]

Originally Posted by gmd2003

Perhaps you should re-read the thread, and work on not being a dick lol . The Dinan does not cause a delay in The DCT shift and engine power delivery especially in the lower gears that was present with the BMS tune . You can see visual proof of the delay in the BMS acc graphs I provided .

Fair enough, I confused this and another thread and crossed wires where it was implied it actually did something to the DCT, my bad...

Sounds like the BMS is delivering too much torque so car can't shift without a delay... The new setting Terry introduced with a new firmware smooths out of torque curve some, I wonder if it helps..

[gmd2003]

Originally Posted by padrino

Fair enough, I confused this and another thread and crossed wires where it was implied it actually did something to the DCT, my bad...

Sounds like the BMS is delivering too much torque so car can't shift without a delay... The new setting Terry introduced with a new firmware smooths out of torque curve some, I wonder if it helps..

Its not too much tq , its the fact the AFR's are not right.But the way the Dinan is set up it is fully integrated into CAN and Flex ray so it can pretty much do anything.

[gmd2003]

Gave it another crack this morning with the Dinan with a slightly negative DA (unfortunately the road was damp so i had to use MDM). Again 93 octane only , S3 shifting with suspension set to comfort all runs were back to back with no cool down . The 1/4 mile data is without a rollout and the 0-60 and 0-100 mph data is, 60-130 is using 2nd gear to start ( again top of second today was an issue). So here it is the fastest trap speeds have ever gotten on my testing road without a rollout and the 0-100 is damn....

[Tom C]

Nice runs!

[gmd2003]

Originally Posted by Tom C

Nice runs!

So there it is hands down even the Dinan stage 1 is faster and significantly quicker than the BMS on 93 octane set to 3.5 on my CP M6 .

[M5Rlz]

Originally Posted by gmd2003

So there it is hands down even the Dinan stage 1 is faster and significantly quicker than the BMS on 93 octane set to 3.5 on my CP M6 .

I wish I still had my m5...

[bronch]

Has anyone just had this software device put on their stock car? Are those gains noticeable? I know that on Dinan's website they list the HP/Trq gains with new intake and exhaust. But, I will unlikely get a new intake other than perhaps new filters and carbon delete because I don't think the cost/benefit is favorable. I'm still undecided on exhaust too and even less sure about a new down pipe. I'm just wondering whether the gains of this or any other system is only realized with these other mods.

[gmd2003]

Originally Posted by bronch

Has anyone just had this software device put on their stock car? Are those gains noticeable? I know that on Dinan's website they list the HP/Trq gains with new intake and exhaust. But, I will unlikely get a new intake other than perhaps new filters and carbon delete because I don't think the cost/benefit is favorable. I'm still undecided on exhaust too and even less sure about a new down pipe. I'm just wondering whether the gains of this or any other system is only realized with these other mods.

I picked up 4 mph in the 1/4 over DP / intake on the stock tune . Yeah it's very noticeable .

[bronch]

Originally Posted by gmd2003

I picked up 4 mph in the 1/4 over DP / intake on the stock tune . Yeah it's very noticeable .

Not sure I understand or just to clarify. You tested DP and exhaust on a stock engine compared to Dinan Stage II w/ stock intake and exhaust? If that's the case, I'm impressed by that. Thx.

[gmd2003]

Originally Posted by bronch

Not sure I understand or just to clarify. You tested DP and exhaust on a stock engine compared to Dinan Stage II w/ stock intake and exhaust? If that's the case, I'm impressed by that. Thx.

Almost , I only have the stage 1 currently and had the Gruppe M intake for both the stock tune test and Dinan .

[m6beast]

Originally Posted by gmd2003

So there it is hands down even the Dinan stage 1 is faster and significantly quicker than the BMS on 93 octane set to 3.5 on my CP M6 .

Can the dinan do this to a GTR in a second gear roll?

[DCT OFF]

Wow!M6beast your car is pulling like a Freight train.

[gmd2003]

Originally Posted by m6beast

Can the dinan do this to a GTR in a second gear roll?
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Well given I used to own a tuned GTR yes it can , What are you're 60-130 times and VBox data . You're car on meth and race gas with + 5 psi isn't exactly an apples to apples comparison but I'll gladly run you any time . I'd love to see you're Vbox data showing better than a 7.3 60-130mph , a7.2 sec 0-100 mph and a greater than 130.5 trap speed on a 0 slope run .

[m6beast]

Originally Posted by gmd2003

Well given I used to own a tuned GTR yes it can , What are you're 60-130 times and VBox data . You're car on meth and race gas with + 5 psi isn't exactly an apples to apples comparison but I'll gladly run you any time . I'd love to see you're Vbox data showing better than a 7.3 60-130mph , a7.2 sec 0-100 mph and a greater than 130.5 trap speed on a 0 slope run .

Apples to apples I believe it's ahead of the game for the BMS isn't limited in performance like the dinan. And when your comparing pricing to performance I've spent less. Add race gas to your car will the Dinan raise boost on its own? Don't think so. I don't buy BMS because of pricing but from having a great experience with Terry, his products and best of ll his customer service.

This isn't my first BMW, I've been modding BMWs since I was a teenager of my first 85' 325e then onto my next 95 m3, 01 m5, 06' M6, 11' 335, 12' 750 and now with the ones I have now F10 M5, F13 M6 and F82 M4. Still have my 06' M6 and ran that car with full bolt ons and 150 shot of NOS with no issues. Loved smoking bikes with that car but now it's just relaxing from all the stripes shes earned. I take her for a cruise now and then to keep her moving as the new M6 is the new heavy weight fighter.

I can say I'm not just a guy that buys product to install them and drive off. I do real testing from real live data, Dyno, Vbox, track and love a little competition.

Would love a race especially racing someone faster always pushes me to the next level. It's all good G glad you're loving your dinan product as I love my BMS and wouldn't change it for I love knowing I can Be involved with my car when it comes to its performance.

There's a lot of variables that go into piggy back boosting. Adaption is one! I have a logger and can read timing, fuel trims, AFs ect and I can tell you from experience the car is running strong.

You can't just raise boost and expect the car to run strong it takes a good week or so to get its full potential. Given you've expeinced both the dinan and the BMS I can't deny your claims because you've done your testing. As for me I've done plenty and can say the beast moves without timing drops ect as you would claim do to live data.

As for adaptation I'll give you an example. After I finally got my intake to not have codes the car ran very lean high 13's to 14' AFs at peak rpm. If I would have vboxed it after a day it probably would show less gains or maybe the same. As the car adapted AFs went back to normal and I noticed a huge improvement. Vbox showed .5 seconds 60-130mph

Now for another test. I installed it on a guys M5 who lives in Columbia. After I installed it he loved the sound and noticed an improvement from the time he left. I told him the car needed a week or so to adapt. Even with that said he had no patience and went to the track after a couple of days.
His best run before the intake was 12.0 @ 120mph, and consistent 12.1's @ 119/120mph after that he ran 11.7 @ 121 mph. That was His very first run and consistent 60ft from the last track day. After another week past he went back. Ran 11.5 @ 124/125 mph with no other changes.

So yes as I proved on Vbox it also proved it on a totally different car at the track. Since then I raised his boost to 4.0 from the 3.5 and his time dropped from 11.5 124/125 mph to 11.4 @ 125 mph. That kind of gives you an idea how well the intake performs and I guarantee Gruppe M or no other intake will drop .5 second and climb 4-5 mph in the 1/4 mile.
As for me doing a Vbox test of my beast trying to show the fastest time, I'm pretty sure you'll be telling me slope isn't right, DAs are not the same, temps are different some kind of reason why my car is as fast or faster. In all reality I can say it ran 11.0 @ 128/129 at the track consistently. Since my intake install I've been having traction issues even with drag radials so it's a matter of time before I get my 10 second pass.

I bought my Vbox for testing same gear and mph to compare before and after mods, really not trying to have the fastest time. I think the best way would be to race side by side that way slope, temps, all those variables are not compared between two cars but the actual true test running neck and neck.

So when ever your down for a race I would love to meet. Maybe we can run where your slope is 0/0 and see how comparable the two are. I don't mind driving to you I could use a vacation lol. Also would love to meet a fellow forum member for at the end of the day we all are like family here. I don't ever try to pursway anyone to go with the products I belive in but just give people the honest truth on what I've experienced through real testing and being able to datalog what most can't and give real data to you guys. This is something the vendors should be doing not me. I've always given back to the community, my time, my advice and true testing to help those decide on their own what they want not what I want.

I do it because it's my passion and enjoy helping people and wanting to see others be successful no matter the situation or cause.

So sorry for such a long post just giving my two sense. So let me know when I need to come to Charelston would love to get away for some cruising racing and maybe chill after wards for a drink and some great food, need to take my lady friend out of town she says I'm a work aholic lol

Good luck G!
By the way would love for you to test my intake another person that could prove my intake makes huge power. You might need that by the way to run with me lol

G

[gmd2003]

Originally Posted by m6beast

Apples to apples I believe it's ahead of the game for the BMS isn't limited in performance like the dinan. And when your comparing pricing to performance I've spent less. Add race gas to your car will the Dinan raise boost on its own? Don't think so. I don't buy BMS because of pricing but from having a great experience with Terry, his products and best of ll his customer service.

This isn't my first BMW, I've been modding BMWs since I was a teenager of my first 85' 325e then onto my next 95 m3, 01 m5, 06' M6, 11' 335, 12' 750 and now with the ones I have now F10 M5, F13 M6 and F82 M4. Still have my 06' M6 and ran that car with full bolt ons and 150 shot of NOS with no issues. Loved smoking bikes with that car but now it's just relaxing from all the stripes shes earned. I take her for a cruise now and then to keep her moving as the new M6 is the new heavy weight fighter.

I can say I'm not just a guy that buys product to install them and drive off. I do real testing from real live data, Dyno, Vbox, track and love a little competition.

Would love a race especially racing someone faster always pushes me to the next level. It's all good G glad you're loving your dinan product as I love my BMS and wouldn't change it for I love knowing I can Be involved with my car when it comes to its performance.

There's a lot of variables that go into piggy back boosting. Adaption is one! I have a logger and can read timing, fuel trims, AFs ect and I can tell you from experience the car is running strong.

You can't just raise boost and expect the car to run strong it takes a good week or so to get its full potential. Given you've expeinced both the dinan and the BMS I can't deny your claims because you've done your testing. As for me I've done plenty and can say the beast moves without timing drops ect as you would claim do to live data.

As for adaptation I'll give you an example. After I finally got my intake to not have codes the car ran very lean high 13's to 14' AFs at peak rpm. If I would have vboxed it after a day it probably would show less gains or maybe the same. As the car adapted AFs went back to normal and I noticed a huge improvement. Vbox showed .5 seconds 60-130mph

Now for another test. I installed it on a guys M5 who lives in Columbia. After I installed it he loved the sound and noticed an improvement from the time he left. I told him the car needed a week or so to adapt. Even with that said he had no patience and went to the track after a couple of days.
His best run before the intake was 12.0 @ 120mph, and consistent 12.1's @ 119/120mph after that he ran 11.7 @ 121 mph. That was His very first run and consistent 60ft from the last track day. After another week past he went back. Ran 11.5 @ 124/125 mph with no other changes.

So yes as I proved on Vbox it also proved it on a totally different car at the track. Since then I raised his boost to 4.0 from the 3.5 and his time dropped from 11.5 124/125 mph to 11.4 @ 125 mph. That kind of gives you an idea how well the intake performs and I guarantee Gruppe M or no other intake will drop .5 second and climb 4-5 mph in the 1/4 mile.
As for me doing a Vbox test of my beast trying to show the fastest time, I'm pretty sure you'll be telling me slope isn't right, DAs are not the same, temps are different some kind of reason why my car is as fast or faster. In all reality I can say it ran 11.0 @ 128/129 at the track consistently. Since my intake install I've been having traction issues even with drag radials so it's a matter of time before I get my 10 second pass.

I bought my Vbox for testing same gear and mph to compare before and after mods, really not trying to have the fastest time. I think the best way would be to race side by side that way slope, temps, all those variables are not compared between two cars but the actual true test running neck and neck.

So when ever your down for a race I would love to meet. Maybe we can run where your slope is 0/0 and see how comparable the two are. I don't mind driving to you I could use a vacation lol. Also would love to meet a fellow forum member for at the end of the day we all are like family here. I don't ever try to pursway anyone to go with the products I belive in but just give people the honest truth on what I've experienced through real testing and being able to datalog what most can't and give real data to you guys. This is something the vendors should be doing not me. I've always given back to the community, my time, my advice and true testing to help those decide on their own what they want not what I want.

I do it because it's my passion and enjoy helping people and wanting to see others be successful no matter the situation or cause.

So sorry for such a long post just giving my two sense. So let me know when I need to come to Charelston would love to get away for some cruising racing and maybe chill after wards for a drink and some great food, need to take my lady friend out of town she says I'm a work aholic lol

Good luck G!
By the way would love for you to test my intake another person that could prove my intake makes huge power. You might need that by the way to run with me lol

G

I think you should hold up on limited in performance comments . Have you ever trapped 130 Vbox or at the strip ? Race gas is going to get more power out of what ever tune you are running , same goes for meth . You have to remember I'm starting with a strong CP car too , I don't know which car is faster same conditions same fuel and you don't either . I respect you pushing the limit of our platform with what's available but there's no need for posturing. You have no Vbox 60-130 data to compare , we both have hit the limiter at 159 in a standing half mile , and we both have cars that can do 129+ traps all day long .

[m6beast]

Originally Posted by gmd2003

I think you should hold up on limited in performance comments . Have you ever trapped 130 Vbox or at the strip ? Race gas is going to get more power out of what ever tune you are running , same goes for meth . You have to remember I'm starting with a strong CP car too , I don't know which car is faster same conditions same fuel and you don't either . I respect you pushing the limit of our platform with what's available but there's no need for posturing. You have no Vbox 60-130 data to compare , we both have hit the limiter at 159 in a standing half mile , and we both have cars that can do 129+ traps all day long .

From what I see your 1/4ile Vbox says your trap at the track should be around 125-127 mph. Vbox trap is not the same as the track. You have any time slips from the track?

[gmd2003]

Originally Posted by m6beast

From what I see your 1/4ile Vbox says your trap at the track should be around 125-127 mph. Vbox trap is not the same as the track. You have any time slips from the track?

The Vbox tools website runs the avg speed the last 60ft just like the track . It was dead on with actual traps running the BMS in Aiken which where 125.x . I trapped 130.5 my terminal speed was almost 132mph with the Dinan .