BMW M5, M6 and 335i Lap Times from Annual Car and Driver Lightning Lap 2013 @ VIR

Jason · 12-28-2012, 11:42 AM

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BMW M5, M6 and 335i Lap Times from Annual Car and Driver Lightning Lap 2013 @ VIR

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The 2013 Car and Driver's Annual Lightning Lap Competition (#7) at the Virginia International Raceway has concluded and the results are in.

The F10 M5, F13 M6 coupe and the F30 335i sedan were tested and turned in the following times:

Full List by Times
Ferrari 458 - 2.49.9
Lexus LFA - 2.55.1
Chevy Camaro ZL1 - 2.57.5
Merc C63 Black Series - 2.58.0
Porsche 911 S - 2.58.9
Ford Shelby GT500 - 3.00.6
Chevy Camaro SS 1LE - 3.01.5
Jaguar XKR-S - 3.02.1
Porsche Boxster S - 3.04.2
Audi RS5 - 3.04.3
BMW M6 - 3.04.7
BMW M5 - 3.05.2
* BMW M3 (E92) - 3.05.4 (from last year's competition, for reference)
* BMW 1M Coupe - 3:06.6 (from last year's competition, for reference)
Audi S6 - 3.09.8
BMW 335i sedan - 3.13.2
Hyundai Genesis 3.8 R - 3.13.9
Dodge Charger Pursuit - 3.17.8
Subaru BRZ - 3.18.6
Ford Focus St - 3.21.4
Chevy Caprice PPV - 3.23.0
Fiat 500 Abarth - 3.27.3

LL1 Category
Hyundai Genesis 3.8 R - 3.13.9
Subaru BRZ - 3.18.6
Ford Focus St - 3.21.4
Fiat 500 Abarth - 3.27.3

LL2 Category
Chevy Camaro ZL1 - 2.57.5
Chevy Camaro SS 1LE - 3.01.5
BMW 335i sedan - 3.13.2

LL3 Category
Merc C63 Black Series - 2.58.0
Porsche 911 S - 2.58.9
Ford Shelby GT500 - 3.00.6
Porsche Boxster S - 3.04.2
Audi RS5 - 3.04.3
BMW M6 - 3.04.7
BMW M5 - 3.05.2
Audi S6 - 3.09.8

LL4 Category
Ferrari 458 - 2.49.9
Jaguar XKR-S - 3.02.1

LL5 Category
Lexus LFA - 2.55.1

Police Cars
Dodge Charger Pursuit - 3.17.8
Chevy Caprice PPV - 3.23.0

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Rob///M5 · 12-28-2012, 12:08 PM

Chevy...wow

ucla95 · 12-28-2012, 12:36 PM

Not a good showing for the S6...

Eric335 · 12-28-2012, 01:05 PM

The ZL1 did a damn good job...

Sauce · 12-28-2012, 01:09 PM

That Camaro DESTROYED the 335i wow...

AndreyATC · 12-28-2012, 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ucla95

Not a good showing for the S6...

It's not bad concidering it has 140 less HP than M5

ferrari6891 · 12-28-2012, 01:39 PM

just goes to show how heavy the m5 and m6 are

Diver · 12-28-2012, 02:01 PM

That ZL-1 is something else. Does it transform?

smack · 12-28-2012, 02:03 PM

The RS5 beat the M6 around????

stefan · 12-28-2012, 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smack

The RS5 beat the M6 around????

Not surprising. Higher revs, linear power delivery, torque vectoring AWD, and its ability to run a few laps without overheating are probably the main reasons.

That ZL1 is incredible though. Now if only the build quality wasn't garbage.

av689 · 12-28-2012, 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ucla95

Not a good showing for the S6...

I would say it is too good for the S6..

HALOTHANE · 12-28-2012, 02:18 PM

What was the lap time for an E92 M3 in past tests?

brava09 · 12-28-2012, 02:20 PM

Impressed by the Audi RS5.

Transfer · 12-28-2012, 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HALOTHANE

What was the lap time for an E92 M3 in past tests?

3:05.4
http://media.caranddriver.com/files/...erformance.pdf

freeman727 · 12-28-2012, 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Transfer

3:05
http://media.caranddriver.com/files/...erformance.pdf

I am seriously impressed with the e90 M3. It is 150+ HP down on the M5 but only 1 second off the pace.

Who here thinks the F30 M3 will go under 3:00?

Ironring Racing · 12-28-2012, 02:30 PM

This is just getting old.

BMW continues to harvest it's driving focused reputation while releasing products that are slower and softer; with the goal not of producing the Ultimate Driving Machine, but of capturing market share by appealing to the middle/average consumer.

It results in a short term sales boost, until your reputation falters and people realize you're the new Toyota.

F30 335i 3 SECONDS slower than the E90 gen.
F30 335i just 0.7sec ahead of the Hyundai Genesis?
M5 & M6 get smoked by a Chevy, the SS 1LE, much less the ZL1? (Congrats to the Bow Tie crowd btw, wow!)
M5 now the HEAVIEST of the competition (C63 & S6-and it's AWD!!)!!?

It's sad to watch this company try to win the race to average.

ucla95 · 12-28-2012, 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AndreyATC

Quote:

Originally Posted by ucla95

Not a good showing for the S6...

It's not bad concidering it has 140 less HP than M5

Fair point, but I still would take an M5 over an S6. Now to get the RS6 in America...

freeman727 · 12-28-2012, 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ucla95

Fair point, but I still would take an M5 over an S6. Now to get the RS6 in America...

why? i guess some love their boats

some love their tight driving machine.

antzcrashing · 12-28-2012, 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ironring Racing

This is just getting old.

BMW continues to harvest it's driving focused reputation while releasing products that are slower and softer; with the goal not of producing the Ultimate Driving Machine, but of capturing market share by appealing to the middle/average consumer.

It results in a short term sales boost, until your reputation falters and people realize you're the new Toyota.

F30 335i 3 SECONDS slower than the E90 gen.
F30 335i just 0.7sec ahead of the Hyundai Genesis?
M5 & M6 get smoked by a Chevy, the SS 1LE, much less the ZL1? (Congrats to the Bow Tie crowd btw, wow!)
M5 now the HEAVIEST of the competition (C63 & S6-and it's AWD!!)!!?

It's sad to watch this company try to win the race to average.

e90 335 did it in 3:10? Source?

FogCityM3 · 12-28-2012, 02:50 PM

Understandable on a smaller/mid sized racetrack where size/agility can make up for slower straight line performance. What's even crazier is that the F10 M5 SportAuto Nurburgring time equalled the M3's (at 8:05) despite the M5 having better tires (PSS vs PS2) and a DCT (the M3 was a manual) and that would be the type of track totally favoring the M5. M3 comp pack + DCT + PSS likely would have rendered the E9x a tad faster around the 'ring.

With 35-40 hp more and 150 lbs in weight savings vs E9x, the F80 M3 may break the 3 min barrier. Lower weight will be huge (just as we're seeing the disadvantages from higher weight with the M5).

Quote:

Originally Posted by freeman727

I am seriously impressed with the e90 M3. It is 150+ HP down on the M5 but only 1 second off the pace.

Who here thinks the F10 M3 will go under 3:00?

Ironring Racing · 12-28-2012, 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by antzcrashing

e90 335 did it in 3:10? Source?

3:10.5 First post graphic

Quote:

Originally Posted by freeman727

why? i guess some love their boats

some love their tight driving machine.

Yeah, seriously, how do you build an M5 heavier than an S6, which has AWD? Engines are almost identical in size, M5 4.4L TT V8, S6 4.0L TT V8, so you can't put the blame there. It's just fat, pure and simple.

smashhell · 12-28-2012, 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mhabs

Understandable on a smaller/mid sized racetrack where size/agility can make up for slower straight line performance. What's even crazier is that the F10 M5 SportAuto Nurburgring time equalled the M3's (at 8:05) despite the M5 having better tires (PSS vs PS2) and a DCT (the M3 was a manual) and that would be the type of track totally favoring the M5. M3 comp pack + DCT + PSS likely would have shaved off a few secs from that 8:05 time.

With 35-40 hp more and 150 lbs in weight savings vs E9x, the F80 M3 may break the 3 min barrier. Lower weight will be huge (just as we're seeing the disadvantages from higher weight with the M5).

Quote:

Originally Posted by freeman727

I am seriously impressed with the e90 M3. It is 150+ HP down on the M5 but only 1 second off the pace.

Who here thinks the F10 M3 will go under 3:00?

The F10 M5 did the Nurburgring in 7:55

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